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Kayle makes no sense, nerf that champion already

Youngcuck·3/29/2019, 5:06:52 PM·6 votes·2,595 views

I was playing Darius vs Kayle a couple of games ago, I completely stomped her in lane but it just didnt matter, I denied her a lot of experience and made her lose a lot of waves, also left her 0/5, she still did the most damage in the game in a 30 min game.

https://youtu.be/g0uFbLo1hDI https://youtu.be/qWbTn20xWeg https://youtu.be/yFCAuJQ6fdM https://youtu.be/CNrxOSYv7Cw https://youtu.be/6HcuP5RF8EA

Ok up to this point it was a complete slaughter, at that point Kayle was 0/5, she should be completely useless and unable to get back into the game no matter what, but in the next clip something funny happens. I disrespect a 0/5 which I think I cant really be blamed for and go for a trade with her having half life but 3 lvl lead, a lot of gold and item lead, guess what happens though.

https://youtu.be/UjKHd64sbdQ

And this is Kayle out of lane phase

https://youtu.be/jL-oNqfKIGY

And this is the damage graph at the end of the game

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/472593401888636929/561225762297085982/unknown.png

Now my question is, where is my reward for completely stomping Kayle in the early game? Any champion going 0/5 and 3 lvls behind is basically out for the entirety of the game, but in Kayles case, she just bought 2 items and started facerolling my team. Keep in mind this was a 30 min game in which Kayle was completely destroyed for at least 13 mins of that game, which means she managed to get top damage in the game in just about 17 mins.

A champion going 0/5 and that many lvls behind should never recover that fast regardless of their scaling. Old Kayle was already a beast in the late game, but this Kayle rework was just a buff overall, ult is the same but now it deals pretty nasty AOE damage, Q is the same but is AOE, W is the same but better and it affects 2 champs now, E is straight up a busted spell and her passive is the most unnecessary thing ever, it makes her weak pre 11 but after that she basically goes god mode and at lvl 16 she gets AOE TRUE DAMAGE, what in the hell is that? As a slight comparison, Kog'Maw is considered a hyper carry too, a pretty strong one, and his biggest asset is %HP MAGIC DAMAGE and defense shred, he doesnt have any of that r%%%%%ed aoe true damage, he doesnt have an ult that makes him unkillable, he doesnt have a massive missing health low CD nuke (his ult kinda is but cant even be compared to Kayle's E). Overall Kayle has too many tools to survive in fights and too much untankable damage, even her ult which is supposed to be a DEFENSIVE ult has 500 base damage at lvl 16 and 0.8 AP scaling and also AD scaling, do I even need to say how stupid this is?

To put Kayle's ult into comparison, Orianna's ulti is one of the strongest teamfighting ults in the game and is a game breaking ability, it has 300 base damage lvl 16 and 0.7 AP scaling on an OFFENSIVE ULT, Ziggs ulti which again is one of the strongest teamfighting ults, has 600 base damage and 110% AP scaling if it hits with the center, which is very difficult for it to happen, the damage with the outer part is much lower, lower than Kayle's ult, Malzahars ult has a base damage of 275 at lvl 16 and 0.8 AP scaling, Lux ulti which is one of the strongest bursting tools in the game has 500 base dmg lvl 16 (same as Kayle ult) and 0.75 AP scaling (less than Kayle's ult). There are more examples but I hope this makes it clear. My point is, does Kayle really need that much damage on an ultimate that makes its target UNKILLABLE? I think Riot just went nuts with Kayle's damage sources and her massive numbers in every aspect.

6 Comments

Hethalean3/29/2019, 6:12:34 PM1 votes

Are the nerfs on the pbe not sufficient for you?

Jobriq3/29/2019, 11:06:00 PM1 votes

Tbh the worst part of Kayle's kit is her E damage. 20% missing health at max rank wtf? That's half of Garen's ult. Now you can say her E doesn't have base damage, but it's on AA modifier and it's also a small AoE after lvl 6. Worst of all, it's on a tiny 8 second cooldown. 20% missing health is HUGE. Wtf is riot smoking with these numbers?

Colte3/30/2019, 5:49:10 AM1 votes

i understand the score difference but the biggest mistake was to be cocky enough to run into her carelessly with 50% hp, you didn't even bother avoiding her 20% armor/mr shred that's extremely easy to dodge and you didn't avoid her ult and still nearly won.

i feel like you haven't shut her down properly or enough, she only has 30 less cs and kept getting kills off the rest of your team.

you were lucky the rest of her team weren't doing well or else that would have been a loss, whenever i see enemy or ally kayles enemy laners deny their exp to slow her down

Dharvana4/2/2019, 5:45:53 AM1 votes

Kayle is insane right now. I shut her down hard in lane. And it made absolutely zero difference. You can't even defend your own towers once she hits lvl 16. She will literally walk right past them, auto attack you twice, boom your dead. Please tell me why a Kayle that went 3/13 was able to single handedly take all are inhibitor towers, an inhibitor and the nexus towers by herself while fighting me and some of my teammates! Her abilities are fine in my opinion. It is the true damage aoe that needs to go. I have yet to play a lane against her where I truly felt rewarded for killing her and putting her behind. Fighting her post lvl 16 is like fighting a squishier Yorick who instead of one shotting just one person, can one shot your whole team and take towers almost as fast.

Before this rework, I played Kayle all the time. I even played this new Kayle. And yes, her early game is garbage. But her late game is absolutely ridiculous and the closest I've ever seen to a god-mode in this game. I dare say I would rather have a fed Yi late game than a 3/13 Kayle. At least with Yi I know it was might fault for not shutting him down early. With Kayle, good luck. End the game pre - 30 minutes otherwise "gg automatic win for enemy team". I miss Morrello. I felt like he actually tried to balance this game. Now with the new balance leads...HAHAHAHA! I'm pretty sure they are fucking the game up on purpose now. I fucking program games and have made games myself, and even I know their new champs and reworks have been mostly insane. You would have to be blind not to recognize what they are doing.

I pretty much only play this game with my friends now. Otherwise, I would have left soon after the new Runes Rework.