With the addition of champion shards this season, We need more IP in general.

Darth Sidiouss·Sep 26, 2016·47 votes·1,816 views

Before it was just oh i need more rune pages so ill save for one. Or a new champion i wanna buy. Now its the champion shards which are costly as well and its something else i have to save for. I remember how overwhelming it was to have only 1 rune page and barely any champions so i feel for the new players the most. We need more IP per wins/loses, i am calling for a 8 - 12% permanent increase because it seems fair and i understand at the end of the day your running a business.

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ErockandrollSep 26, 201612 votes

I really don't know how much added pressure champion shards put on new players. (Given you need to get champs up level 5 and then get S ranks for them)

In fact, it actually sounds like they are giving some value to IP to the people who already have everything. (as they really arn't as important as Champs or rune pages.) It would probably be worth Riot's efforts to make IP actually worth something, even after you spent everything on runes and champions. (Part of the reason why I keeps saying IP incentives for playing support won't work, cause everyone may not actually need IP)

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I think rune pages are overpriced in general. I mean, REALLY Riot? Are you THAT greedy?

The general idea behind monetizing like that is to sell convenience and not power. That modal basically assumes that extra pages is a luxury and not a requirement. And while that may be true upwards of maybe 5 pages. the two rune pages you start with, is admittedly not enough to cover all of the basics.

The biggest problem I see with the Rune pages pricing, is that it's not comparable to champion pricing. With champion pricing, you can easily get a lot of cheap champions, and expand pretty quickly. But the IP price of a Rune page is the same as a full price champion, and never changes. An alternative approach may be to scale rune page pricing based on how many you have. Maybe your first rune page is only 3150 IP, and your second 4800 IP. and when it caps out at 6300, you would already have two additional pages that you got for cheep.

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Maybe make it like DOTA where all champs are free

removing the level grind with champions would make smurfing a lot easier. (unless it's an ARAM only smurf, screw those guys) Whether that's actually a bad thing is up for opinion.

Though for purpose of new player experience, it's probably best introduce elements of play slowly. (Including new champions) While a new player may only have a small pool to work with. They will be match with players of similarly small champion pools.

TIME TO LOSE KIDSep 26, 20161 votes

{quoted} removing the level grind with champions would make smurfing a lot easier. (unless it's an ARAM only smurf, screw those guys) Whether that's actually a bad thing is up for opinion.

smurfing is already incredibly easy. buy the starter pack for 5 bucks, get almost enough champions to jump right into ranked, and an xp/ip boost to make bank from twisted treeline bot games.

you can have a smurf ready to go in under a week if you play for 3 hours or so a day.

Dr PoroSep 26, 20161 votes

And that's 5 bucks going to Riot. I don't think they mind the smurfs that pay them money. But I believe that most smurfs don't.

macdshiftySep 26, 20164 votes

I've been playing this game for four years and thousands of hours and yet: -I almost never have over 10k ip at any given time -I still do not own all the champions -I do not have a sufficient number of runes -I do not have a sufficient number of rune pages

I just wish I started playing in season 1 instead of season 2. back then you could get like 500 ip per game. At some point they really changed the numbers on ip gain.

TragicTricksSep 26, 20161 votes

I been playing for 3 years

-i have all the champion -i never had over 7k ip at given time -only have 2 rune pages -only have a few runes

I am now saving up for rune pages

macdshiftySep 26, 20161 votes

Every time an interesting champion is teased I deeply regret making my full crit damage and attack speed pages.

TragicTricksSep 26, 20161 votes

Yeah i only have attack damage page and ap page. It would be nice to have more options

But 6300ip for another page is pretty costly plus the runes themselves

Z StatisticSep 26, 20161 votes

I've been playing this game for five years with thousands of hours and: -I consistently have over 30k IP. -I own all the champions -I have all the non-joke runes -I have 14 runepages

There could be some adjustments to bonus IP from FWotD to make it more userfriendly, but if you want 500 IP per game, then you might as well just go the DotA2 route. The system in HotS has significantly faster unlocks than LoL, and it feels more obnoxious to me, not less.

macdshiftySep 26, 20161 votes

Did you use rp to unlock anything or spam a specific game mode? I'm curious how with similar time played we would have very different ip gain. I've heard from friends grinding dominion gave more ip then playing normal 5s type modes. Also 5 years would be season 1.

Also I didn't mean they should go back to their old ip gain rate, I was just noting if I had started earlier I would have exponentially more ip. I understand the purpose of incredibly low ip gain is to promote payment with rp, I just think 45 hours of game play for a new champ is a bit overdoing it.

Z StatisticSep 27, 20161 votes

Meh, I bought maybe 5-10 champions. I forget how many. Once I had about 40 champions, I didn't particularly want any others. I bought one rune page bundle.

I simply made sure to get at least 300-400 IP every day. It adds up fairly quickly.

Only Play DariusSep 26, 20163 votes

Maybe make it like DOTA where all champs are free

Jet SettSep 26, 20162 votes

A system like that would probably be unlikely since Riot makes money off champions too. You know, the impatient players who just want to get that champion instead of saving for it? Or just people with disposable incomes that don't mind putting money towards a game.

I would love the idea though, especially if everyone got IP refunded for champs. Rune pages are incredibly expensive, you might be able to fill two with an IP refund.

TrogmarSep 26, 20162 votes

I agree more ip would be nice. Champions havent had price reductions and saving 6300 for good champions all the time isnt fun, then saving thousands more to runes in order not to be at a disadavantage.

five oh tree Sep 26, 20162 votes

I've been playing since fucking season 3 and I still don't own all the champions. That's how expensive runes are.

TheMinezSep 26, 20161 votes

Been playing since midway through season 3, don't own all champs because I took a ~3 month break. I literally cannot care about what champ I get next, if I get a champ shard I buy 2 more to reroll it into one of the 4 options I have left. I own 7 rune pages, with 2 pages focused on Singed. (Movespeed quints and Spellvamp quints) I have T3 mastery on 2 champs with T2 mastery on 7 champs. If I really wanted to, I could have had all of the champs in the game and a decent array of runes. That may be in part due to the amount of time I spend on the weekends in League.

EmojaySep 26, 20161 votes

I think rune pages are overpriced in general. I mean, REALLY Riot? Are you THAT greedy?

dunder killSep 26, 20161 votes

Uuuuhhhhh but the free hextech boxes can give you champions you would have otherwise spent IP on?

WarAngelSep 26, 20161 votes

Just dont try to level up your champ mastery with shard unless you have all the champ and no use for your ip? use the system to get more champ for free instead?

DracocrashSep 26, 20161 votes

to be fair you dont "NEED" master level 6 and 7.

But ip gains are low, cause every time they add a new champ it is harder for a new player to own all champs. I think they need to reduce the price of all champs across the board. Something like 6300->6000 4800->4500 3100->3000 1350->1000 450->400

Michael SykesSep 26, 20161 votes

or just give the players more ip per game

DracocrashSep 26, 20161 votes

It will be harder to balance ip/game because you have to consider 20 minute ff's, ip/minute, etc.

nice tableSep 26, 20161 votes

Now its the champion shards which are costly as well and its something else i have to save for

yeah no you dont HAVE TO buy these, 0 effect on gameplay. this thread is like claiming to need more IP cause u can now get chromas for IP.

Darth SidioussSep 26, 20161 votes

ik but having mastery 6 & 7 is important to some people even though it has no effect on gameplay, just to show off the fact that your decent with your favorite champion. Like rn i have to save IP cause i have the lvl 7 mastery tokens on miss fortune but no blue essence and i don't really want any more champions cause i just recently bought riven so now im saving for shards instead.

nice tableSep 26, 20161 votes

i mean a lot of shit is important to people, you cant say you need more IP cause you can now buy cosmetics with IP tho.

it be lìke thatSep 26, 20161 votes

ip needs to go up or prices on important items such as rune pages need to come down. id prefer rune pages just be dropped to a solid 2k ip. no reason they need to be so much.

accessories/optimization shouldnt cost as much as new champions.

2k for quints is also a bit outrageous.

nice tableSep 26, 20161 votes

i mean sure runes n shit is too expensive but champion shards are completely irrelevant here.

Feed DaddySep 26, 20161 votes

I have almost everything unlocked (all champs the useful runes and some not useful runes) and 20 runepages so this idea is kinda meh to me

MrryZSep 26, 20161 votes

What about getting IP per level up? It would help the newer players get things like runes and pages a lot quicker or allow them to build up a champion pool.

it be lìke thatSep 26, 20161 votes

no. i want rune pages too!

[zombie-nunu-tears]

JefftiffySep 26, 20161 votes

I don't understand. They made runes cheaper. They sell double rune pages at least 2 times a year. They have done tons of bonus IP events in the last 2 years.

Yet you say you have been playing for 3 years and don't have anything to spend it on.

I literally bought everyone on my friends list all the icons every day up to the 20 cap with my excess IP for every day during that one event. I am sitting on 13k right now because I just figured I would start to clean out runes I may use at some point but never really had the need for. I buy every icon that comes out for IP as well. I bought the last 10 champs for full 7800 (except Taliyah as I took a break for awhile).

Sure IP costs could definitely use some cuts, but you should have everyone by now and all of the key runes and at least 2 extra rune pages. If you choose to buy more runes and you really needed, then that's on you.

BisaknospSep 26, 20161 votes

just no

MonkeyMadnessSep 26, 20161 votes

As a player that has unlocked all champs, all 20 rune pages, and all viable runes, I can say that this is really not true.

Here's my fear with increasing IP availability: it will encourage players to have MASSIVE champion pools, but have absolutely no skill on any of their champs. This is similar to the phenomenon that has occurred with the experience boost shit that Riot is giving to premades during leveling. New players are hitting max level WAY too fast simply by queuing with premades, and they are simply not experienced enough to handle ranked games due to their lack of actual game experience.

Now, if Riot were to perhaps fix the rune system so that it wasn't such a pain in the ass to farm for runes, then I think that would give you all the extra IP you need. But even then, I fear the effects of making content too easy to obtain.

Also, and this is critically important, champion shards can be obtained for FREE from hextech boxes. Also, and this might be even more important, you can abuse champion shards to get lots of champs at discounted IP. If you purchase 3 champion shards, and reroll them into a champ permanent, you will automatically get a champ that you haven't unlocked yet. This means that if you buy up all the 3150 and lower champs, when you reroll the 3 shards (total cost 3300) you are guaranteed to get a champ worth more than the IP you spent. If you're like me and own all the champs, that means whenever a champ is released, you can get it for less than half of the IP cost (7800) using this method. Considering that a HUGE amount of champs are currently 4800 and 6300 IP, this method is basically giving you "free IP", just indirectly. If you are struggling to pursue mastery level 6 and 7 and to farm IP for champs/runes, then you just need to set your priorities better.