Is a good thing leave the same ratio on an ability which was created to be single target, when riot's team is making it aoe?
Jarvan'r deals 200/325/450 (+150% bonus ad) while aoe ult like Gnar's r just deals at max rank 400 (+20% tot ad; 50% ap)
If you think there isn't a problem in this change just think if Rengar's empowered q was aoe......yes I can see your face
LostFr0st1 votesWhile I do think the aoe dmg is a bit high, J4 is no longer getting the damage he would have done inside cataclysm (the passive proc) before the league of dashes to escape J4 ult was implemented. I'm sure they'll find the sweet spot for it.
Jacknife1 votesWell Gnar's ult has a multiplier if he gets anything to hit a wall, which is why the scaling's are so low but the base damage is so high (Also it scales off bonus ad, not total). Doesn't really make sense for Jarvan's ult to be able to trap multiple people but only do damage to one, especially since most of his damage is aoe already. If it's a problem I'm sure Riot'll nerf the numbers accordingly.
Dark Nephthys1 votesWell...considering that 
doesn't really build a lot of damage besides for 1-2 items and then tanks the rest of the way I don't see it really being a problem. Yes his ult might hurt quite a bit if you were to build full AD Jarvan, but then he is super squishy and easy to burst down. If he jumps on your entire team and burst all 5 of them down, then that would be your own fault for sticking together in a small pile for his ultimate in the first place. Even if he builds full damage, chances are he had to use his Flag and Q to even get into position to even ult your team, and after that what is he going to do while waiting for his CDs? The 2 other champions you mentioned also doesn't really say much.
's ultimate is weak damage wise because of just how strong of a CC it really is. Being able to move the entire enemy team into a direction and stun them for a pretty big tank is huge. Sure Mini-gnar might not be super tanky, but to even use his ultimate he needs to be mega gnar.
's empowered Q is pretty quick to get and Idk why you even mentioned it since that's comparing Jarvan's Ultimate to Rengar's empowered Q. Comparing a 2 min CD ultimate that is basically the unique ability of Jarvan to a powered up Q which can probably be charged every 10 or so seconds.
LilxPaprika1 votesDefinitely not Annie jarvan skin pls. Flash ult gg. Land your ult on 3 enemies you did your job.
Imo damage to other targets should be like 30%. Bit like how 
works
WalkingInACircle1 votesAnd Lee Sin's does 600 + 200% bonus ad with a knockup. Oh, and 18% bonus hp damage.
Anyway, the Jarvan changes are "experimental" so even if he does become viable through them they'll probably get altered.
Sdars1 votesWell, to be honest, if you're comparing it to Gnar, you should also compare it to Wukong: Lasts 4 seconds, total dmg per unit is up to 800+440% AD.
Zorasama1 votesTo be fair, Lee Sin ult is hard to land on multiple enemy, and Wukong ult isn't a burst damage.
masterdragon4811 votesAs a quick first of all, you haven't looked at Gnar's best case scenario which is 600+(30% total ad; 75% AP) AND you have ignored the CC that gnar's ultimate brings. So that isn't a great comparison.
Your comparison to rengar is also incredibly misleading. Firstly, empowered Q is not an ultimate, so unfair comparison right there. Second, you can make Rengar's empowered Q nearly AOE with the use of a Hydra.
When you get down to it, J4 only has 2 damage abilities (3 if you count the passive, but ehhh. maybe only 2.5 and then still ehhhh) Q and R. I think you can barely could the flag as part of his damage. He also has to build damage to make use of scalings. So I can't really see a problem with these J4 changes.
La Barbotte1 voteslike red mercy said, people dont usually play grouped when against a j4 and if they do its their fault if they get rekt by the ultimate + gnar his hard cc wahile j4 isnt
Frius1 votesblah blah blah compare it like redmercy
gnar has big slow/stun and overral different kit
l2 compare better.
