PSA : If Mundo is a fighter and not a tank, then he should build damage item

Beatrice falls··3 votes·1,114 views

Seriously when will Riot touch this champion at all ? It's bs a "fighter" shouldn't be able to build full tank and ditch the same amount of damage as any other fighter. Look you got a fighter here Fiora does she build full tank ? No

Give him some ratios to his skills rather than letting him roll on everything because he's both tanky as shit while dealing crazy damage (his E giving him 200 AD mid game fair huh ?)

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Sona Ping3 votes

That's not what a "PSA" is; it does not mean "Personal, Subjective Appraisal."

DuskDaUmbreon2 votes

The only Fighter/Juggernaut that should ever be able to go full tank and still deal high damage is Nasus, for the sole reason that he pays for his damage in a different way than gold (Via Q stacking). And even then, Nasus still often has to get an IBG at the least, which, while yes it's a tank item, still has offensive capabilities.

Pierce The Veal2 votes

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The only Fighter/Juggernaut that should ever be able to go full tank and still deal high damage is Nasus, for the sole reason that he pays for his damage in a different way than gold (Via Q stacking). And even then, Nasus still often has to get an IBG at the least, which, while yes it's a tank item, still has offensive capabilities.

Mundo doesn’t pay for his damage by lacking any real mobility spells, having health costs, being hard countered by 800 gold, and bringing no hard cc or team use cc to the table?

Paroe1 votes

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Mundo doesn’t pay for his damage by lacking any real mobility spells, having health costs, being hard countered by 800 gold, and bringing no hard cc or team use cc to the table?

Mundo is also a proto jugg, like volibear. Hes got AP scalings because back when those champions were made its just what they were given to scale. "if its magic-ee, then its abili-tee!"

Were mundo and Voliboo to be reworked, im sure they would be reworked with AD ratios.

DuskDaUmbreon2 votes

Because GW doesn't do near enough versus his ult, he has plenty of fucking MS while the ENTIRE JUGGERNAUT CLASS HAS ZERO DASHES ANYWAYS, making it not a real weakness, his health costs are a joke on everything but his ult, and few juggernauts have hard CC anyways.

His kit is the stereotypical example of the Juggernaut class, except with a lot more damage with no items, and a fuckton more healing than any champion should have.

Mundo does way too much damage without paying any actual cost for it. Even compared to the rest of the juggernaut class (which has ALL the same weaknesses that you listed, minus the health costs!) it's all too high.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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Because GW doesn't do near enough versus his ult, he has plenty of fucking MS while the ENTIRE JUGGERNAUT CLASS HAS ZERO DASHES ANYWAYS, making it not a real weakness, his health costs are a joke on everything but his ult, and few juggernauts have hard CC anyways.

His kit is the stereotypical example of the Juggernaut class, except with a lot more damage with no items, and a fuckton more healing than any champion should have.

Mundo does way too much damage without paying any actual cost for it. Even compared to the rest of the juggernaut class (which has ALL the same weaknesses that you listed, minus the health costs!) it's all too high.

But all he provides to the team is damage while other champions with significantly more cc also deal as much damage or close to his damage. And % hp +grievous wounds murders him. And his 3% pick rate and 47% winrate pretty much back up what I’m putting forward.

OtterlyLost1 votes

Why would he need damage when his q is a massive AD steroid. That's how he gets away with it. He literally could itemize and build a titanic, steraks, and trinity and just absolutely demolish people. But players opt to build him full tank because he already can demolish with just the AD steroid.

Galiö1 votes

Only reason people dont is cause mundo has only a .2 ap ratio in his entire kit.

Even with the AA reset in his E its not worth making him a pure AA champ a d also his E guves you a free huge AD bonus.

Personally I'd lower the base AD bonus on his E, give his a % increase to Bonus AD (not self stack) and make his Q deal % Helath Damage based on his AD instead of flat base.

Beatrice falls2 votes

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Only reason people dont is cause mundo has only a .2 ap ratio in his entire kit.

Even with the AA reset in his E its not worth making him a pure AA champ a d also his E guves you a free huge AD bonus.

Personally I'd lower the base AD bonus on his E, give his a % increase to Bonus AD (not self stack) and make his Q deal % Helath Damage based on his AD instead of flat base.

That's the issue, his scalings are inexistant. Hell he could build nothing but 6 item 3083 and still deal the same amount as building full AP, that shouldn't happen at all.

Doge20201 votes

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That's the issue, his scalings are inexistant. Hell he could build nothing but 6 item 3083 and still deal the same amount as building full AP, that shouldn't happen at all.

tanks (which mundo basically is) usually have pretty good base damage on their abilities while having horrible scaling, so they still can deal damage but can also build tank items to stay alive longer. Tanks can deal the same amount of damage as other classes just usually more gradual, that is because they have a ton of tank stats they can stay alive longer and deal the same amount of damage. So statistically the tank builds on tank champs will perform better and have higher win rates than the full damage builds of the same tank champs.

Mundo has his ult for healing to tank damage easier, and the tenacity from his w to shake off CC easier. His q deals damage but also applies a giant slow, and it is on such a short CD that he can spam it to cc chain somebody and kill them.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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That's the issue, his scalings are inexistant. Hell he could build nothing but 6 item 3083 and still deal the same amount as building full AP, that shouldn't happen at all.

mundo has a health scaling on his e.

he is intended to practically build full tank and wreck your shit in melee. hes a juggernaut. he pays in other areas for his high base damage.

no mobility, and the strongest cc is a single target slow. he has to walk up to you. this means you beat mundo simply by dodging cleavers and walking away from him.

its the same reason Darius gets 240 ad when he hits 5 stacks of his passive.

Sebastit7d1 votes

item 3068 is clearly a damage item, it deals damage : ^)

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