Can we just get rid of ranks and lp? MMR is enough

Shiroyashayami·May 26, 2019·19 votes·8,021 views

Ranks are making things more complicated than it really is and are creating problems. Just remove them and make it like it was in old seasons. Just MMR alone. Or leave ranks but get rid of lp.

9 Comments

True GarenMay 27, 20196 votes

Riot wants you to grind. They purposely conceal MMR because otherwise players would just play for MMR.

MMR is like the popular vote; ranked standing is like the electoral vote. The game is to do the more frustrating thing. You don't really need to grind to reach your MMR - that is adjusted game-by-game. In most cases, a player will not reach his level in Ranked play until mid-Season.

JonesybonesMay 27, 20192 votes

No I like LP. With out LP there can be no rank.

GlaricionMay 27, 20191 votes

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No I like LP. With out LP there can be no rank.

They've done ranks previously w/o LP.
X ELO is the threshold for Tier A and Y ELO was the threshold for Tier B

LP and the promotion system are just obfuscations of ELO/MMR. You know when you are going +20LP and -15LP for wins and losses? Vice-versa? That's because of your hidden MMR.

JonesybonesMay 27, 20191 votes

No because then ranks would mean nothing. you'd be playing for MMR not ranks.

GlaricionMay 27, 20191 votes

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No because then ranks would mean nothing. you'd be playing for MMR not ranks.

That's already what you do, LP and divisions/tiers are just obfuscations. That's why dodging is so popular w/ people who are serious about climbing. Sure, you're constantly losing LP, but your MMR is saved. You keep losing -3 LP, -10 LP... Despite that, your LP for wins and losses starts to skew in favour of you climbing, even w/ a 50% WR. Why? Because the system says "Oh hey, 1600 ELO is for rank X, but they're currently 2 divisions below it, let's bump up the LP and rubber band 'em in."

JonesybonesMay 27, 20192 votes

No because you can lose promos and still keep your MMR. Climbing would not be as meaninfull if there was no LP. I like the current system. I do not like having MMR only. Not only that LP makes things alot more simple.

And you can be any rank and have low or high mmr. The fact you focus on someone elses rank and believe thats where they belong is incorrect.

A bronze should be allowed to play with golds if thats where his or hers skill level is at.

Sinister AnubisMay 27, 20191 votes

The old season was hell to climb and it felt really bad. You would win like 3 games gain like 25 mmr lose 1 game and drop 40 mmr. It was absolute hell trying to climb in rank i like LP and the ladder system much better its way more transparent and effective at placing people.

AetherFlowMay 27, 20191 votes

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The old season was hell to climb and it felt really bad. You would win like 3 games gain like 25 mmr lose 1 game and drop 40 mmr. It was absolute hell trying to climb in rank i like LP and the ladder system much better its way more transparent and effective at placing people.

You know it still works the same way right? You literally just can't see it happening because it's disguised with LP/divisions.

Sinister AnubisMay 27, 20191 votes

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You know it still works the same way right? You literally just can't see it happening because it's disguised with LP/divisions.

But it doesn't work the same way which is why if you was say in gold 3 0 LP it takes a few games to drop to gold 4 in the old system it takes a few games to climb back up after one lose. The new system is easier to climb and is much better visually. Riot wont go back.