Can you not increase Lulu's AP ratios?

TheLittlestLulu·Jun 15, 2016·13 votes·830 views

I really do not want to see everyone playing solo lane Lulu and then you guys giving her a big fat blanket nerf, again.

16 Comments

ErockandrollJun 15, 20167 votes

Despite the fact that the damage now falls off after the first unit hit?

It's better poke, worse waveclear. And that's going to help support lulu, more than it does lane lulu.

TheLittlestLuluJun 15, 20165 votes

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Despite the fact that the damage now falls off after the first unit hit?

It's better poke, worse waveclear. And that's going to help support lulu, more than it does lane lulu.

Support Lulu isn't going to get enough AP for the ratio buffs to matter.

ErockandrollJun 15, 20168 votes

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Support Lulu isn't going to get enough AP for the ratio buffs to matter.

And the AP ratio's arn't the only buff to support lulu. You also have the AS gain on her whimsy

GaleWinUnleashedJun 15, 20166 votes

I don't build hardly any AP on her either :/

That particular facet of the changes does not help our support Lulu in the slightest.

QuephaJun 15, 20163 votes

70% damage on secondary Q targets is already a gutting for solo Lulu

YumaS2AstralJun 15, 20161 votes

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70% damage on secondary Q targets is already a gutting for solo Lulu

Why gut solo lane Lulu? She has been fine for a long time.

My Waifu VanillaJun 16, 20162 votes

Because buffing Lulu at all without considering the reprecussions it will cause for Solo Lulu is foolish. Imagine if the 70% damage didn't go through. Solo Lane Lulu would become the "go to" again regardless because Glitterlance does more damage and she is still a late game "support" anyway so she is already using her W on her allies. Solo lane Lulu is unhealthy due to how self sufficient she is and the fact she just bodies a lot of melee opponents with the luxury of being very difficult to gank, however, simply "buffing" support Lulu is not an option because literally every buff to Support Lulu is a buff to teamfight solo lane Lulu because of how Lulu plays in teamfights (enabling her carries by giving them a lot of free stats).

AlwaysByMySideJun 16, 20163 votes

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Because buffing Lulu at all without considering the reprecussions it will cause for Solo Lulu is foolish. Imagine if the 70% damage didn't go through. Solo Lane Lulu would become the "go to" again regardless because Glitterlance does more damage and she is still a late game "support" anyway so she is already using her W on her allies. Solo lane Lulu is unhealthy due to how self sufficient she is and the fact she just bodies a lot of melee opponents with the luxury of being very difficult to gank, however, simply "buffing" support Lulu is not an option because literally every buff to Support Lulu is a buff to teamfight solo lane Lulu because of how Lulu plays in teamfights (enabling her carries by giving them a lot of free stats).

Solo lane Lulu doesn't just body melee opponents. When solo lane Lulu is good she is basically the queen of mid lane in high level play.

My Waifu VanillaJun 16, 20161 votes

I was just saying that she especially beats most melees top since they simply cannot touch her and just HAVE to bend over and let her ram her staff up their behind to the point that they taste purple. She is like teemo except with CC and multiple get out of jail free cards in stats (tons of EHP in the shield and ult).

SpecterVonBarenJun 16, 20163 votes

Justice for her causing support Lulu to be gutted.

Lady HammerlockJun 16, 20161 votes

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70% damage on secondary Q targets is already a gutting for solo Lulu

yep not only does it hurt her AOE champion damage,it greatly encourages more lane interaction because this will gut her waveclear

Athenes LuluJun 16, 20163 votes

That AP ratio buff, what the hell does it even do lmfao

We all know it's her bases that makes her such a strong solo laner, NOT ratios. So in the end it's a nearly pointless buff.

And if anything, her Q doesn't need any form of compensation buffs, just no.

Dasdi96Jun 15, 20161 votes

I have no idea why they are trying to nerf solo lane lulu. I now believe she should be balanced around solo lane, but she should still be a viable support.

BârdJun 16, 20161 votes

Yeah, they could just leave Q as is and leave the W change.

The W change doesn't really effect solo lane Lulu (unless we are talking machine gun Lulu), but are GREAT for a support.

My Waifu VanillaJun 16, 20161 votes

The problem is solo lane lulu DOES just turn into a second support after like 20 minutes except she does decent damage and her utility is more relevant. After 20 minutes in teamfights solo lane Lulu is still peeling and throwing most of her kit on her ADC anyway so this change is still a straight up buff to Solo Lulu by itself.

RiviniJun 16, 20161 votes

With the current state of the game, I don't see the ratio increase being a big problem, but I would be fine if they left her Q alone and kept the other changes.

Will Whimsy's AS bonus apply to Lulu if she self-casts it? It doesn't clarify in the tooltip. I was wondering because if it will, that could potentially be big if she gets item 3115 item 3091 .