Will all new champions be hard counters to melee?

Cenobite Azaziel··16 votes·1,778 views

Illaoi - punishes melee HARD with tentacles. Gangplank - punishes melee HARD because you can only AA a barrel that , at the end of the game, chunks you for half of your life, slows you, give him move speed [a triforce use with inate movespeed buff] (Riot is looking for Jayce buffs. No reason to do it while GP is around, can deal way more massive damage in AOE with less mana with a even more agressive lane phase vs melee). Kindred - Hey, slow and mobility? Ekko - Poke , mobility and if you try to engage me you'll have to deal with a shield AND a stun. If you are ranged you can deal around the stun. Kalista - .... Azir - Kayle 2.0. Gnar : The toxic waste from top lane. Only way to counter it is being more toxic Vladimir . One that dealt with it in a interactive way was Sion before his E was nerfed to death.

I play league of legends to play league of legends. Don't wanna be sucked in whack a mole/barrels/tentacles that f**ks up your CS pattern. Sure, wet noodle fight can be some times boring but I'll trade non pulling my hair over boring any day. (Btw, plat V and III in BR server before you come with "you unraked scum! Go play normals")

36 Comments

Trundle Bundle9 votes

Kalista is the one champion in the game that I feel should not exist. Whether she's balanced or not isn't the issue; she doesn't just punish melee's without gap-closers, she exploits them to become even safer. That isn't a play style that should exist.

warpenguin5558 votes

oh please, Kalista isnt that hard to catch. just use a master ball

Spicy Rice3 votes

No, real men use 99 pokeballs

MLDzXnRRR7 votes

Gnar is the most anti-fun champ to play against as melee. RIOT hates melee. They are the punching bags of Lol. Rapidfirecannon crit from half a screen away - balanced.

PalPlays1 votes

Or even worse, a Rapid Firecannon stun card from that far away.

Troiann2 votes

They should make frozen mallet unbuyable for gnar. FUck that shit.

YumaS2Astral3 votes

Don't forget Darius - He already was oppressive against melees before, but he is now even more oppressive due to his heal, which means you can't even outsustain him.

speaking of which I am a platinum II in BR server

Best KhaZix Void1 votes

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Don't forget Darius - He already was oppressive against melees before, but he is now even more oppressive due to his heal, which means you can't even outsustain him.

speaking of which I am a platinum II in BR server

Darius isn't nearly as oppressive as he used to be.

IcyPepper1 votes

People remember him when he was strong, but they tend to forget that his recent nerfs actually worked to tone him down, thank Jesus.

Spicy Rice1 votes

Pretty much this. Key to dueling him is staying right next to him, and leaving before he can get 5 stacks

YumaS2Astral1 votes

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Pretty much this. Key to dueling him is staying right next to him, and leaving before he can get 5 stacks

Problem with new Darius is his healing. He will outsustain you even if he was overall nerfed.

Spicy Rice2 votes

If you stand right next to him, he wont heal on his q...

Guyy Fieri2 votes

Not sure when Jayce became a problem but...

And yes a lot of those champs are strong against melee. But....almost every one them is succeptble to hard engage.

PalPlays5 votes

Not Illaoi...

FrickendaChicken1 votes

She is, you have to play around her ult. She used it? Fall back-job well done. Come back before 90 seconds, kill her because her ult is gone.[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

BluePolarizer3 votes

or... she uses it during a baron contest. She uses it? Fall back - lose baron and potentially the game. Or fight in it and take massive AOE damage.

Guyy Fieri1 votes

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Not Illaoi...

Fair

mike in the box1 votes

Or Eco

RogueWill1 votes

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Not sure when Jayce became a problem but...

And yes a lot of those champs are strong against melee. But....almost every one them is succeptble to hard engage.

Illaoi Actually loves hard engages since her only weakness is lack of close up abilities. Ekko Do-over and effectively disengaged. Azir Wall to face...proceed to stay inside the wall as your soldier melt the enemy, if enemy tries to touch you they get bounced back by the wall. Gnar If mega is close-ish proceed to fight, if not Hop away. Kindred just ult on top of you and level up the fight, on teamfights negates kills and then proceed to counter engage

most of them posses enough tools to disengage hard engages quite effectively

Death by Glamour2 votes

Just pick irelia and roll over those squishy ranged champs

Best KhaZix Void2 votes

illaoi doesn't really punish melees unless they're already weak laners, strong laners like renekton and darius and stuff will be able to contest her when she E's them and prevent themselves from becoming a vessel.

MrBuffington2 votes

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Illaoi - punishes melee HARD with tentacles.

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Nanuk Pihoqahiak1 votes

A well played Gnar actually beats Vladimir. The constant harass is too much to outsustain early game.

YumaS2Astral1 votes

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A well played Gnar actually beats Vladimir. The constant harass is too much to outsustain early game.

I am a main Vladimir and I never lost to Gnar. You can outsustain him especially if you use CDR runes, even with constant harass, Gnar will NEVER outsustain you.

The only possible way for Gnar to win this (aside from Vlad being bad) would be an early gank, with Gnar having Ignite and then, he would have to capitalize on Vlad's weak early game.

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

Have you tried the lane since the Preseason started? I don't know if Grasp of the Undying would change this outcome.

YumaS2Astral1 votes

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Have you tried the lane since the Preseason started? I don't know if Grasp of the Undying would change this outcome.

The Gnars that I've laned against have been using Thunderlord's Decree.

To give you a idea of how far we came with this shit.

Spicy Rice1 votes

Ive seen friggin tryndamere run thunderlords. Its freakin ridiculous

KING ATTILA1 votes

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Ive seen friggin tryndamere run thunderlords. Its freakin ridiculous

Really? Why would Trynda ever go Thunderlords? Was it effective?

Spicy Rice1 votes

Oddly enough, it was pretty good. It helped him compensate for not critting in early skirmishes in lane. Late game tho, it was basically iseless for him

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

Most non-melees/APs in the game shit on melees theoretically. That's why melees have tons of base stats.

Lissama1 votes

U forgot TahmKench literally unkillable 1x1 against melee champions

HayRoss1 votes

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U forgot TahmKench literally unkillable 1x1 against melee champions

Somehow you're actually winning the 1v1, He's about to go down, but then...

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YOU HAVE ONLY UNKENCHED THE FIRST LAYER OF THE BENCH

TheFancySkeleton1 votes

UNINHIBIT THE RIBBIT UNCLOG THE FROG UNROLL THE TADPOLE

AL0001 votes

actually melee cant against dashed/knocked out with/out slow like quinn, jayce, etc...

Zorae421 votes

Nice job ignoring Bard RekSai Mordekaiser

And Kindred is not that mobile. Her AA range is super short and her little hop is short and only on a short CD if she uses it inside the area that has a long CD (and it's only 1 maybe 2 hops wide). Unless you're fighting her around walls, she's not that hard to catch.

KING ATTILA1 votes

preaching to the choir Tryndamere

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