Zyra's passive rework?

VDc0zCqe0w··4 votes·1,098 views

Allright straight to the point, her passive is boring, useless, clunky and feels bad to use; i mean it is really really useless, this is what happens most of the times when a fight breaks:

  • you win the fight hard, so that damage is just overkill;
  • you lose the fight hard, so that tiny true damage won't do any good;
  • you are still alive, so you played the whole fight without having any passive;
  • the fight is actually even, so that damage could be useful;

Now, as you can see, there are 3 scenarios out of 4 where her passive is 100% useless, and the only situation where it isn't doesn't happen quite often (i'd say it happens 2 times on 10)

I'm also supposing you'll be actually able to hit your targets, wich most of the time you won't be, because of the mobility meta, and due to the fact that the hitbox is just too narrow.

Her passive rewards people who die often, i don't get how is this a good thing, it can be a good thing for Karthus or Sion because Sion is made to soak damage and his passive gives him a way to be a useful threat after death, and because Karthus's passive is just 10 times better than Zyra's passive (being able to cast spells while untargetable > random low true damage wich is very hard to land).

I honestly like the concept of that skill lore-wise, because it quite fits Zyra's feel and because that is extremely cool to see, but right now it just doesn't make sense given how terrible it is.

I mean, in the cinematic she didn't even use that, probably even she knew that her passive was useless, lol.

7 Comments

Destaice3 votes

My favorite part of the passive is the delay which requires you to guess where your opponent will be standing 3 seconds into the future, otherwise no dice.

Kouga2 votes

So how would you make it better? Rather than complain about an ability, what would you do instead?

VDc0zCqe0w1 votes

i have no clue honestly, i would give her a +10 movespeed for each plant in the map at the time, but i admit it would be quite a cheap update and terribly wrong lore-wise

but that would still be better :/

Star Of Love1 votes

I think it would be cool to refresh any plants that are currently active at the time of her death, but I'm not sure what could be done about the projectile itself.

What do you guys think?

Bleediss1 votes

Someone obviously doesn't get the point of Zyra's passive.

The point of her passive is to make it where if she barely loses a fight, then you can still kill the enemy player, and get revenge.

If it doesn't give you revenge, get over it, YOU didn't make use out of it, and that's your fault, not the ability's.

The 2nd scenario is proving a bad player, you don't go in a fight you're going to lose hard to, and of course the true damage is going to be shitty, which is why you don't go lose the fight in the first place, the 3rd scenario is proving a good player, they don't need their passive to pick up kills, because they're already dominating without it, and the 4th scenario, if you go all-in and lose even though it's quite even, it IS useful, because it provides an opportunity for you to get a kill back, resulting in evenness again.

Still, it does NOT reward players who die often, all it does is give something like in the 2nd scenario, tiny true damage that won't do any good.

And mobility meta? Please, you're basically saying you want this ability to have no counterplay because people can already dodge it, that doesn't make it bad, that just makes it iffy on working or not.

By the way, it's not useless, it takes skill to use it properly, which apparently you haven't seen, or experienced yourself as a Zyra player.

VDc0zCqe0w1 votes

yeah i mean

http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=puffball

i have NEVER EVER played Zyra in my whole life, i know diamond 2 S4 is trash elo, yeah i know i'm bad at playing Zyra

Markus Vakarian1 votes

Sorry but i do not agree on some points 1-"If it doesn't give you revenge, get over it, YOU didn't make use out of it, and that's your fault, not the ability's."- The others passive are just...passive...Cho gets HP and mana every kills,Darius does damage every time he hits,Sejuani gets armor whenever she uses an ability etc etc. They know this happens 100% of the times. Zyra is not sure to do damage 2-"And mobility meta? Please, you're basically saying you want this ability to have no counterplay because people can already dodge it, that doesn't make it bad, that just makes it iffy on working or not."..counterplay?? how do you counterplay Ashe's passive?? She will crit in any case...Cait's enhanced damage is the same etc etc.Their basic attacks are not skillshots. Ok let's look at anivia's passive. It has a CD and this can be a counterplay for Zyra's passive too. 180s CD,but if i die i do damage 100% od the times when passive is up

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