Day 1 Impressions: You're a mean one, Mr. Shen

SettDownShutUp··8 votes·1,681 views

So the I've played a few fair games, and I want to break down what's working, what isn't and what it feels like. KEEP IN MIND THIS IS TOP LANE SHEN, YOUR MILEAGE MAY VERY

The passive feels... not at all. This is truly the definition of a passive passive, you don't feel it's hand protecting you, but you know that it IS. It doesn't take a scientist to tell you a health scaling shield on a reducible 8 sec cooldown is awesome, and I have a feeling a large portion of Shen's power budget is in this ability. You have no fear of ignite, at all. What's better, the shield allows you to go toe to toe (in bursts) with characters like Nasus and Riven. The sword is annoying, but it allows for your Q to exist as it is, so I'll gladly deal with it.

The new Q is DEADLY, these three health% AA is where the majority of your lane pressure lie. But we are now melee dependent, meaning landing that spirit blade for the slow and extra damage is vital to succeed. Right now enemy champs don't get why you're circling them, but once they wise up I have a feeling it won't be so easy. Still the short, and I mean SHORT cooldown is a great feeling, and allows you to get your passive 2-3 times in a skirmish, damn near constant in a team fight.

The new W is ... Well, it's powerful but not in a good feeling way. 2 seconds of dodging all basic attacks is definitely strong, but I'm not jumping off a cliff for it. Perhaps if it protected you from something else, or had an effect on blocking an attack, but right now it FEELS like you just press the button after dashing then forget you ever had it. The cooldown is attrocious, but I understand why and I don't see that changing in the near future.
One thing I think riot has lacked in recent champion releases is ways to improve communication of 'safe zones' to players. Short of a voice clip playing saying "I am protecting you so don't move out of this circle dum dum", I'm not sure what else can be done.

Shen's dash is Shen's dash. Do I need to say anything? No? Good. Though I'm VERY happy to see the health ratio attached, giving it a bit of oomph at later game. I've killed people with a dash when I simply meant to taunt them.

I'm rather sad the ult doesn't have any health ratios, but It's still the same ult you know and love. And it feels like a missed opportunity for your blade to do something cool, like instead of Shen standing there why couldn't he dash across the map at light speed passing through terrain. But that's just me fantasizing.

All this together, I think Shen is in a healthier place, more fun place, and I'm glad they kept the tank-ninja theme.

P.S.: Avoid Thunderlords, you'll get more mileage off Grasp of the Undying.

28 Comments

Alex Sloan2 votes

Have played a couple games against Shen today as Riven. Really feel like Riven has a big advantage as you can simply E out of his radius of "block". As well as her burst damage being so high.

MrBuffington4 votes

I read your first sentence as "Have played a couple games against Shen today in river". I am disappointed.

Alex Sloan1 votes

RIP

EmollientNut01 votes

As well as 60% of her damage coming from abilities?

Sire Hippington2 votes

actuqally, unless she faces a squishy that can get bursted, most of her damage comes from the passive empowered AAs.

Dominick Destine2 votes

So Yasuo's Windwall lasts 3.75 but Shen's new shield comes nowhere near that.

Sigh.

TeemoJenkins1 votes

Thanks for the review. I watched RedMercy's play through and that game was... boring. What runes are you running on him? I used to just do Flat AD, armor, scaling MR as an AD Top, do you think it's worth to take Health runes now?

SettDownShutUp1 votes

Definitely health runes. I go Magic Pen/Health yellow+quint/scaling MR

And yeah, early game is rough but after your full kit activates you're on much more solid ground. Play defensive at first, hell, let yourself get pushed a bit.You WANT your sword behind them, most enemies don't even think twice about why shen's blade hasn't moved recently. The jungler will definitely thank you later after you slow em =P

Cremepie1 votes

Do you get magic pen for sunfire cape or does he has some magic damage? I know nothing of the tank ninja.

SettDownShutUp1 votes

The Q deals magic damage, and honestly it's what I'm used to with shen. Generally you don't get much AP with him (or you do and troll your opponents hardcore,) so I like to at least make the base damage hurt some.

NoPaxt1 votes

I've struggled a bit with the new Shen. I've tried 0/12/18 0/18/12 and 18/12/0 GotU has been better than DFT which has been better than TLD

On the old Shen I always started item 1001 item 2003 x4 and item 3340

Now I feel that I need to start item 1054 item 2003 item 3340 But hate going into lane w/ just one potion.

What do you think is the best starting gear for the new Shen?

SettDownShutUp1 votes

I hate Doran's shield with a passion but there's not many other good starts for tanks =\

My first priority depends on who I'm laning against, I grabbed early armor, rushing a sunfire. The minions are gonna bully you hard, almost worse than the enemy champs, your AS is rather shit, the wave clearing on it is a blessing.

bluebreeze521 votes

I just say try 12/0/18. Go Grasp of the Undying, but also get Ferocity's combat stats.

smurph10041 votes

Hey, FlutterShen, nice analysis.

But what do you think of his sustain (or now lack thereof)? I've played a couple of games with him, and it just seems with all of the other top laners with some sort of sustain (Illaoi, Fiora, Nasus, etc.), Shen seems...lackluster. They already nerfed the healing on his q to a really low amount, but it was still something that allowed you some sustain. Personally, I would gladly sacrifice some of his damage on his q for some sort of lane sustain. After all, he was built on the idea of being a tank. I mainly played him as a support before his rework and I find it pretty hard to do so now. RIP former Shen :-\

SettDownShutUp1 votes

Ban Illaoi. BAN ILLAOI

If you don't have the ability to ban, BEG whoever does to ban Illaoi. No amount of shielding will save you from tentacle smash.

Now that that's handled. Sustain. Honestly I did fairly well with Grasp of the Undying and my Passive shield. A lot of toplane bullies need to punch you to do anything, Nasus, Darius, Mundo. So your Dash-W-Q gives you enough time to hit and run. Just don't overstay the welcome. Make no mistake Shen is now a hit and run champ (in lane). Don't stick around to find out who punches each other harder, especially if they have a thunderlords.

NazZomLord1 votes

Day 1: Havent played Shen even though im a Shen main. But i can still punish them for taking him Mordekaiser Gangplank Garen Gnar

SettDownShutUp1 votes

There is NO BETTER FEELING in LoL at this very moment than denying a Mordekaiser his 2nd and 3rd Q.

NazZomLord1 votes

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There is NO BETTER FEELING in LoL at this very moment than denying a Mordekaiser his 2nd and 3rd Q.

Shen taunts lets you get a guaranteed 2nd and 3rd due to them being enhanced autos. Love how hes makes me hit him for almost 800 damage in 2 autos.

SettDownShutUp1 votes

Educate yourself before it's too late http://puu.sh/mNL8d/a8bfeebfa1.png Always make sure to save your MordeQ AFTER he pops his W

100% dodge chance means your enhanced damage becomes wasted.

NazZomLord1 votes

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Educate yourself before it's too late http://puu.sh/mNL8d/a8bfeebfa1.png Always make sure to save your MordeQ AFTER he pops his W

100% dodge chance means your enhanced damage becomes wasted.

Actually you need to educate yourself. http://imgur.com/jBjNC3d

SettDownShutUp1 votes

http://i.imgur.com/kE4YN2O.png

Patch 5.22 cleary states that all Empowered attacks, and I quote,

if ... empowered basic attack misses its target, it won't deal any damage or apply any other effects. In cases where this is tied to a buff, that buff will be consumed as well.

I can tell you from personal experience this DOES include Mordekaiser's Q. The wiki is sadly outdated.

NazZomLord1 votes

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http://i.imgur.com/kE4YN2O.png

Patch 5.22 cleary states that all Empowered attacks, and I quote,

I can tell you from personal experience this DOES include Mordekaiser's Q. The wiki is sadly outdated.

Ive fought several shen with Morde already and no it does not stop the Q. It says "If" due to blinds. And its not outdated if it was last updated with the last rework of Morde.

SettDownShutUp1 votes

Let's settle this the old fashion way. Evidence! https://youtu.be/zY51vKX4f2g?t=5m48s

I recorded a fight with Mordekaiser vs. Shen Bot. At 5:49 I land the first hit of a Q onto shen with his W up, and deal no damage. Notice no purple numbers floating next to 'blocked'? No damage. Also note that it DID consume the first charge of Mordekaiser's Q.

I then tested my Q's third hit at 7:52. And this is the important one. This is where I think you got your information. The W, depending on the sword's positioning has a travel time, even with the W activated. I land the Q in the split second between the blade landing and shen taunting, a small window to deal damage.

MyScreenIsGrey1 votes

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Day 1: Havent played Shen even though im a Shen main. But i can still punish them for taking him Mordekaiser Gangplank Garen Gnar

Lol my life being a pre rework shen main i cant stand looking at the new shens kit

AATTRROOXX1 votes

What build do u use?

SettDownShutUp1 votes

Item Build? Still wonky. Generally build for Health and Sunfire. I've had good experiences with the Titanic Hydra but Rageblade is just SICKENING with Shen.

charcharmunro2 votes

Clearly you always build Guinsoo's Rageblade. Because Shen goes "Guinsoooooooooooo" when ulting. Sometimes. Yeah.

Troiann1 votes

850 HP shield and you want it to scale with health too? That'd be retarded broken.

Haven't played new shen yet, looks pretty cool though. But honestly I really liked old shen more, he was just so much more simpler.

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