Or was it scrapped? I remember once reading it was top priority but I'm curious as to if it's still being worked on or disbanded entirely.
I recall it emphasized his E and R, and R was going to be kept similar. I remember Q and W being called too iconic to change drastically. Is this all still the case?
Thanks a tun in advance.
RiotMeddler8 votesThe Shaco rework we talked about a little a while back got shelved. It had some interesting ideas in it, but after testing we weren't confident it was the right solution in terms of fixing problems while maintaining Shaco's identity. Possible we'll give it another shot at some point, no immediate plans to though.
Zarxis8 votesThe Shaco rework we talked about a little a while back got shelved. It had some interesting ideas in it, but after testing we weren't confident it was the right solution in terms of fixing problems while maintaining Shaco's identity. Possible we'll give it another shot at some point, no immediate plans to though.
I hope you guys just remove his E's permaslow and give his clone the Quality of Life buffs it's been needing for years. He needs nothing more than that.
Neptunium1 votesjust no
TerraRising2 votesWell... Given the recent timelines you've been announcing (including Poppy probably taking the rest of the year), what about Yorick and Zilean? Those guys are definitely waiting for their long awaited and long overdue reworks to get some additional Riot love (skins in particular and free week rotation for the grave digger).
ScreamPaste6 votesPlease don't change Shaco. Ever. At all. :(
Ark Angel HFB3 votesThe Shaco rework we talked about a little a while back got shelved. It had some interesting ideas in it, but after testing we weren't confident it was the right solution in terms of fixing problems while maintaining Shaco's identity. Possible we'll give it another shot at some point, no immediate plans to though.
Thanks God... stay away from my clown.
dunreadmyname1 votesAny hope for a 
within the next few years. Maybe more than .1 second scaling on Dazzle
Seeing as how he is the only dedicated support to have only one form of cc.
The Yetii Rider2 votesI'm pretty sure Riot considers his AOE armor reduction to be equivalent to cc for the purposes of power budget.
As they should. It's quite powerful. The hardest CC is death after all.
Professor LOL3 votesThe Shaco rework we talked about a little a while back got shelved. It had some interesting ideas in it, but after testing we weren't confident it was the right solution in terms of fixing problems while maintaining Shaco's identity. Possible we'll give it another shot at some point, no immediate plans to though.
This makes it sound like the Riot approach to project management is, "Work on whatever you feel like, if it turns out well we'll use it. If it turns out poorly, scrap it and go do something else". Most companies go, "Here's the new project. Complete it and do a good job, then we will move on to the next project". What are the advantages to the way you all do it?
RiotMeddler4 votesSome reworks are need driven (Sion for example). We also try out some opportunistic reworks in testing, if we've got strong ideas for ways to make a champion better despite them not being one of our highest priorities. The Shaco rework was an example of that, with a bunch of stuff that sounded hopeful on paper. When tested in game though, we weren't as happy as we needed to be to ship changes. Some of Shaco's issues were addressed, there was a fair bit of 'this doesn't feel like Shaco anymore' feedback as well, plus some of the new spells didn't hit the mark satisfaction wise.
LXII3 votesSome reworks are need driven (Sion for example). We also try out some opportunistic reworks in testing, if we've got strong ideas for ways to make a champion better despite them not being one of our highest priorities. The Shaco rework was an example of that, with a bunch of stuff that sounded hopeful on paper. When tested in game though, we weren't as happy as we needed to be to ship changes. Some of Shaco's issues were addressed, there was a fair bit of 'this doesn't feel like Shaco anymore' feedback as well, plus some of the new spells didn't hit the mark satisfaction wise.
I feel like all Shaco needs is for his R to be a little more useful against players that aren't completely new to the game. It fools literally nobody anymore. If Shaco has a buff it's a dead giveaway, if not, just click on one and whoever has the items is the real one. Basically only good to dodge one attack of your choice. Maybe make it harder to tell which is which unless a pink is down? Then they see it the way you see it? Idk, but something needs to be done.
Jesus is Savior5 votesSome reworks are need driven (Sion for example). We also try out some opportunistic reworks in testing, if we've got strong ideas for ways to make a champion better despite them not being one of our highest priorities. The Shaco rework was an example of that, with a bunch of stuff that sounded hopeful on paper. When tested in game though, we weren't as happy as we needed to be to ship changes. Some of Shaco's issues were addressed, there was a fair bit of 'this doesn't feel like Shaco anymore' feedback as well, plus some of the new spells didn't hit the mark satisfaction wise.
Can you guys at least buff him so that, like, the permanent dragon buff doesn't give his clone away without even clicking on it?
That's the only reason he's garbage right now, really. The bazillion jungle buffs giving him away. One of them being permanent.
Keevalroy3 votesYou mention that you guys had ideas to make champions better, but how are they better? Don't get me wrong, I hate Shaco and want to see the rework or at least something done to his kit, but at the same time, it's not fair if people aren't happy with changes.
When tested in game though, we weren't as happy as we needed to be to ship changes.
Yeah, YOU weren't happy, but why not ask the PLAYERS how they feel about the changes? It doesn't have to be a "Rito do dis instead" kind of thing, but more like "This idea isn't what we want" or "This doesn't solve any of the issues they had / This is fixing a problem that didn't exist to begin with" interaction.
How many Cass players were happy with the rework? How many people were satisfied with you killing Veigar? How many times does Riot have to piss off Ahri players and continue to make changes to her that don't need to happen to her? Fizz got changed from an AP assassin to a tanky AD bruiser, why? When DFG got removed, entire playstyles like assassin Malphite and Lissandra, or DFGaren weren't possible anymore. How about Revive being removed, and Suicide Karthus was no longer doable? So much for offbuilds and 'diversity.'
Just as a disclaimer, I only played Ahri and Karthus to any extent out of the champions listed, and believe you've ruined them in recent patches, and I know that I'm not alone in that belief. That said, I feel for the other players who are negatively affected by the changes you enforce, ignorant of how many are angry or confused by them. Their long lists of issues or reasoning behind their frustration seems ignored but altered IF AND ONLY IF you feel the same way. With your recent balancing atrocities, it all ties into something Ghostcrawler said you're trying to avoid doing - telling us how you want us to play.
So if you're going through a rework process now and in the future, would it kill you to communicate with the playerbase what you want to do for once?
Lynbro Senpai2 votesWhat happened to the Diana rework Vesh (I think) was looking at doing last year? (If you don't mind me asking). We had a bunch of announced reworks like GP/Shaco's, so I'm wondering if hers was also scrapped. :P
Shinjusuke2 votesSo when DO you plan to do something about Shaco? He has fans.
Just because a champion isn't played in the LCS doesn't mean his players don't matter. Something that in recent years Riot, beyond the rework team, seems to have completely forgotten.
Shaco's been in the garbage for multiple seasons now. I get you guys have a lot of champions and that's a lot of work, but the whole "we only care about the top 30-50 until the pros play something else" mentality is really kinda... "lame"... to put it nicely. Just because you guys think "yeah, we might rework the champion sometime maybe when someone gets inspired to work on them" is a fine way to do things, doesn't mean acting like the players of that champion don't matter.
Ya'll are willing to "fine-tune" the same champions over and over all season, yet can't spare a single guy on the balance team to actually pitch some ideas for making the so-bad-they're-just-sitting-around-waiting-to-be-reworked exist in a better state than they're in?
Dunno guys. Just seems real shitty to play favorites all the damn time with "what needs balance changes when". Stop avoiding nerfs to champions you like (you know the one. Hint: He's a jungler.) while avoiding buffs to the ones whose fans have had to tolerate being called "joke picks" for years.
Edbwn1 votesWould you guys be willing to disclose any kit elements of the rework that you didn't like, or anything at all? :D
AnOtterFailure1 votesWith the "Support Update", the "Marksman Update" and now the "Juggernaut Update" do you think there is potential for an "Assassin Update" in the future where they end up doing mini (Or bigger depending on the need) reworks on a group of assassins to fit with potential new assassin items? (A.K.A. my fictional child Shaco) (I'm sorry for commenting on this 5 month old post to ask this ;-;)
Neptunium3 votesShaco doesn't need a full rework.
Death KarnEvil2 voteshonestly, boxes need scalling hp. Base it off ap an there ya go. ap shaco is viable an so will ad shaco. an as for ulti... it kinda needs to cast an edo what shaco does. even if its 0 dmg for the illusions, just more like it should be which uis real which is fake.
Cenobite Azaziel2 votesPlease don't. I don't wanna play shaco support or shaco ADC.
Troy2426211 votes[{quoted}](name=Cenobite Azaziel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=59Vs4XBb,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2015-08-13T01:43:54.175+0000)
Please don't. I don't wanna play shaco support or shaco ADC.
LOL imagine the patch notes
We decided Shaco would be great in bot lane because he can set up box traps to synergize with displacement CC, such as Blitzcrank's hook.
Troy2426211 votesNeed Meddler summoning bait.
dramier1 voteshow about doing something with the passive of shaco e the poison that it scales with ap, then ap shaco will be viable and he gets a small buff for ad just what he needs