Losing 85% of your health in 1 second from a level 6 0-3-2 Rengar ulting you is really fun

Yenn·Mar 2, 2018·10 votes·610 views

Almost as fun as doing no damage to the rest of his team, because you had to rush Hourglass just to stop him from deleting you instantly.

Good change, guys.

20 Comments

Ben SharpioMar 2, 20181 votes

isnt he getting buffed or something like that?

HaIlMonitorMar 2, 20181 votes

He got net nerfed, just people are playing him more so people will have more bad experiences when he went from like a 3% playrate to a 20....

YennMar 2, 20184 votes

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He got net nerfed, just people are playing him more so people will have more bad experiences when he went from like a 3% playrate to a 20....

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The Q revert was a major buff to his burst

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Buying armor is also fun

Yes, I always rush Thornmail on all of my AP carries

HaIlMonitorMar 2, 20182 votes

No it isn't lol. He used to one shot people just with his jump auto because of Crit/Duskblade. He kills one Target the same he did before, but now has to use skills AND has to wait for cool downs. He lost damage in his kit overall, you are just noticing what really fed Rengars felt like all the time.

They are actually giving him a buff this upcoming patch because he is doing bad overall, at all elo. So just because you lost to a random Rengar one trick doesn't mean the champ is op lol.

YennMar 2, 20182 votes

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No it isn't lol. He used to one shot people just with his jump auto because of Crit/Duskblade. He kills one Target the same he did before, but now has to use skills AND has to wait for cool downs. He lost damage in his kit overall, you are just noticing what really fed Rengars felt like all the time.

They are actually giving him a buff this upcoming patch because he is doing bad overall, at all elo. So just because you lost to a random Rengar one trick doesn't mean the champ is op lol.

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You're aware his Q is an auto reset, right? Do you even understand how that works? He now literally gets a near instant triple auto attack out of jump if played correctly. This is significantly stronger than his old Q.

HaIlMonitorMar 2, 20181 votes

He used to actually get 3 impowered Auto's, plus Taimat. He can only do 2 + Taimat currently.

Sp33d Zer0Mar 2, 20185 votes

http://na.op.gg/champion/rengar/statistics/jungle

Look at his stats. He dropped 7% on the patch. Not only that, but his winrate is dog shit until he gets to super late game.

Ninja Tabi is sufficient, blocks 10% of his Q damage, blocks 2 full lethality items until around level 15 with the amount of armor you get.

GodlyBaneMar 2, 20182 votes

he got hard nerfed, he cant penta anymore :(

Fear the KaynMar 2, 20181 votes

Buying armor is also fun

Dead flag bluesMar 3, 20181 votes

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Buying armor is also fun

But when Zoe 100-0 you because she's overfed while you didn't get MR, it's broken ? [slayer-jinx-catface]

MerlinezMar 2, 20181 votes

Rengar is trash, literally no reason to pick him over Kha'Zix.

ShablagooMar 2, 20181 votes

K, so brand dropping my health in one combo isnt fun too. Neither is Xerath dropping me to 50% with on q from 1k range, neither is veigar two shotting me with one q and r. Stop pretending like rengar is the only thing that does dmg in this game, your just salty cuz u got caught out, did he 1v1 you if he did what where your stats at that point how much farm? If you were ahead and still died I would revaluate how you play cuz they it is sad that you died. Also what do you expect? He would have landed his full combo if he ults and hits you. You can flash away the min he gets on you, their is counterplay you just presented one yourself.

LauchmelderMar 2, 20182 votes

Let's stop acting like dealing a lot of damage while visible is on the same level of toxic as doing the same shit from invisibility.

ShablagooMar 3, 20181 votes

Goes to show how much you know, first off het is camouflaged meaning you will see him when he gets close. Second when he leaps on you, you can flash I have done it it has happened to me too. Guess you are fine with kha, vayne, shaco, and wu? Why are they not problems, when they actually have invis. Twitch has a 16 vision of his ult yet gets nerfed one patch and nerfed right after. But last but not least the fact that he has a alert still, which fking shows you he is coming for you. Ppl, shove side lanes get killed by rengar and "???" as if this should not happen. Take some accountability pls, if you dont shove side lanes when any other assassin is in the game why is rengar any different. You also expect his combo to do no dmg to you??? What?

LauchmelderMar 3, 20182 votes

I don't give a flying fuck if he's invisible, camouflaged or anything else, you're nitpicking because you got no fucking point.

You don't see him before he oneshots you and that is toxic game design. No, once again, no nitpicking, seeing him 0.3 seconds before your screen turns grey is not worth a "hurr but he gets out of camouflage before he kills you durr".

ShablagooMar 3, 20181 votes

Really dude nitpicking, you are just making personal experiences of you losing to rengar and making it seem like the champion is any worse then he was when his q was a skillshot. If you are going to say something then at least know what you are talking about bro you literally have no idea how rengar works, yet you get dominated one game and think that he is broken and you know how he works?

You obviously are oblivious to the fact that if he is camo and coming near you you can see him and react right? For example you can cc him before he leaps because he is camo? Big difference between that and invis where you can't see them at all? I am really sorry your reaction is so trash that you cant do anything when the warning sign literally appears on your head, your screen even dims to show that he is coming, and it even makes a sound. They literally made the ult this way so ppl could react yet ppl like you still are unable to even use the massive amount of counterplay given to you properly, it is really sad. How many signs do I have to explain to you before you understand that this " you dont see him before he oneshots you design" is not the current rengar we have?

Also I dont even understand how you can begin to talk about rengar when champions like shaco and kha exist who are statistically superior and even superior in assassination too. It isnt nitpicking if it is the true bro you just are salty you got wooped one game and think it is toxic. Play him then talk, there is nothing toxic about him, you will notice the levels of counterplay they put in and soon realize how much they actually put for ppl to notice it, it is really sad honestly.

LauchmelderMar 3, 20182 votes

You don't seem to realize this, but I'm not talking about Rengar here, I'm talking about your idiotic "argument" of Brand and Xerath dealing lots of damage when you KNOW they're there and you SEE them casting their abilities. (Therefor: Boo fucking hoo they're doing damage)

Oneshotting people out of stealth is toxic design. Period.

ShablagooMar 3, 20181 votes

And you dont seem to realize that I've explained that with rengar there is counterplay to SHOW THAT HE IS COMING FOR YOU, so you know that he is going to use his entire kit on you. Stealth means you are not seen yet if you ever played against rengar or have been ulted by him which is seems you havent you will notice his ult is the absolute opposite of stealth. The problem isnt stealth therefore it is the dmg which every champion is able to do which is why I brought the two up. You cant say he is oneshotting from stealth when he, dims your fucking screen so you know he ulted, gives you a fucking sign on top of your head showing that he is coming for you, makes a fucking noise annoucing he is coming after you, and he is camo'd so when he get within a certain distance you can actually react AND SEE HIM YOU CAN FKING SEE HIM SO IT IS NOT EVEN STEALTH. Yet this counterplay still eludes you and you continue to say rengar is oneshotting from stealth which is a lie, are you living in the past, because they added all this counterplay because he WAS oneshotting from stealth, but he can't anymore with this new ult. He is oneshotting because he is an assassin, but they give you chances to react.

This post literally is complaining about the fact that a 0-3 rengar is able to deal 85% of his health in a full combo, it isnt about his ult you brought that up and I refuted it by telling you all the counterplay. Brand, and Xerath are able to do the same thing with a combo, its called being a burst champion, so what exactly is toxic about rengar?

MorganFreemanBotMar 3, 20183 votes

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And you dont seem to realize that I've explained that with rengar there is counterplay to SHOW THAT HE IS COMING FOR YOU, so you know that he is going to use his entire kit on you. Stealth means you are not seen yet if you ever played against rengar or have been ulted by him which is seems you havent you will notice his ult is the absolute opposite of stealth. The problem isnt stealth therefore it is the dmg which every champion is able to do which is why I brought the two up. You cant say he is oneshotting from stealth when he, dims your fucking screen so you know he ulted, gives you a fucking sign on top of your head showing that he is coming for you, makes a fucking noise annoucing he is coming after you, and he is camo'd so when he get within a certain distance you can actually react AND SEE HIM YOU CAN FKING SEE HIM SO IT IS NOT EVEN STEALTH. Yet this counterplay still eludes you and you continue to say rengar is oneshotting from stealth which is a lie, are you living in the past, because they added all this counterplay because he WAS oneshotting from stealth, but he can't anymore with this new ult. He is oneshotting because he is an assassin, but they give you chances to react.

This post literally is complaining about the fact that a 0-3 rengar is able to deal 85% of his health in a full combo, it isnt about his ult you brought that up and I refuted it by telling you all the counterplay. Brand, and Xerath are able to do the same thing with a combo, its called being a burst champion, so what exactly is toxic about rengar?

The problem with Rengar's stealth is that it doesn't give you much time to respond. The 'warning' distance is only about twice as long as his dash itself, and he gets a gigantic move speed buff.

Realistically, the only real response to Rengar's ultimate is to turn tail and book it for the nearest tower / your team, if you're on your own. Sometimes this just isn't possible, in which case you already know you're dead without the option to fight back.

The other problem is that Rengar can use his stealth while within the 'warning' zone, meaning that he might be ontop of you within a single second of the indicator appearing. This is extremely problematic for mid laners, for whom Rengar will generally stealth -just- as he enters lane. Denying visibility, but giving less than 2 seconds of 'warning' before he's flying at you.

Current rengar is leaps and bounds healthier than he used to be. The old "suddenly dead" with no warning had.. well, literally no counter play. However Rengar currently has less counter play than all of the other assassins in game, and his pattern is still pretty unhealthy in comparison. In response, though, he's also the most all-or-nothing of them. He literally has no way out once he goes in.

ShablagooMar 4, 20181 votes

Do you guys know what the definition of stealth is? https://www.google.ca/search?q=stealth+define&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab&gfe_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=SUibWuzFIZLU-API9qKwCQ Read it, rengars ult is not stealthy in the least you KNOW when he is coming, they is a warning sign they dim the screen honestly I am not even going to bother going over them again cuz you refuse to listen.

Twice his dash distance..TWICE so you see him before he leaps on you and you see he ulted the min he ults. If you are playing smart you will group with your team, there is more then enough reaction to his ult, they reduced the reaction radius because unlike before he gave to much reaction time, you could barely gank lanes with it. You can flash as he leaps on you, zhonyas as he leaps on you or better yet DONT FARM ALONE WHEN YOU DONT SEE RENGAR.

He can use his ult while in the warning zone? Which means you can see him, cuz he doesnt go invisble but camo'd and if he is close within the warning zone you can see him, if you can't react in that whole time, then there might be something wrong with you. Any decent mid laner will ward, and if he goes into you will get a instant dim screen and a you get a sign over you you also see him when he is close.

Sorry you are saying that rengar has less counteplay then Kha'zix, shaco, or zed? Also you if this is true why does rengar have literally the worse winrate in the jg and top 44%, not only that rengar has literally the worst pre 6 ganks in the game compared to most other assassins, so if rengar is constantly wooping you plz show me to their op.gg cuz I really need to learn from them.