"the overwhelming dynamic queue backlash is just the minority of the playbase"
i guess you dont get enough oxygen that far up riots colon
i guess you dont get enough oxygen that far up riots colon
Just made a thread that basically said the same thing, in oh 500 or so more words. But I like the way you put it, a lot better.
"most of the player aren't talking because they like dynamic queue"
how do you know they aren't talking because they just don't want to talk?
Other question: How do SoloQQers know that the majority hates DQ?
Nobody knows, that's why both sides shouldn't use that argument.
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Other question: How do SoloQQers know that the majority hates DQ?
Nobody knows, that's why both sides shouldn't use that argument.
Statistics. When every subset of the community has a majority disapproval, all probability points to the community having a majority disapproval.
So if the majority doesn't talk (because how many million players don't talk about it?) they cope with Riots decision by that logic.
You aren't the only one that is capable of twisting logic in a way to benefit your own point of view.
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So if the majority doesn't talk (because how many million players don't talk about it?) they cope with Riots decision by that logic.
You aren't the only one that is capable of twisting logic in a way to benefit your own point of view.
"that logic" You mean statistics? Allow me to assure you, that's NOT how statistic works. In the realm of statistics, those that don't voice an opinion are considered an unknown variable. Their value can only be estimated by the known variables. A matter of fact, that is one of the MAJOR USES FOR STATISTICS.
This is true. However, that rule only applies when you gather data through a random sample. Boards, reddit, etc. are far from random samples in the world of statistics and don't hold any water as valid statistical data.
Do I disagree with what's been said? Not necessarily. However, be very careful when claiming stats as evidence when they're questionable stats.
I'm glad someone else who understands statistics is on these forums
You clearly don't understand statistics. Not only do you not have any statistics to point to. You are also falling prey to a bad sampling bias. For stats to actually mean something you have to poll randomly. Simply put the forums are never random, only the people who are really dedicated to the game or really angry about something post on the boards. It isn't an accurate sample of the total league population. SO please stop pretending like your bias and opinion represent the league community (it could) because it probably doesn't.
You clearly don't understand statistics. Not only do you not have any statistics to point to. You are also falling prey to a bad sampling bias. For stats to actually mean something you have to poll randomly. Simply put the forums are never random, only the people who are really dedicated to the game or really angry about something post on the boards. It isn't an accurate sample of the total league population. SO please stop pretending like your bias and opinion represent the league community (it could) because it probably doesn't.
Says the guy speaking with what is half bias and opinion. I say every subset of the community, and your bias can only pick out the boards from that. Take a look at youtube. Not only does Riot's own video on dynamic queue get a crapton of dislikes in comparison to likes (a rather uncommon trend for youtube), youtubers themselves have come out mostly in support of solo queue over dynamic queue. Then there are the pro players themselves who are considered the peak of the league community who also have a majority preference for solo queue. It's not just the league boards that show a dislike for the lack of solo queue. Reddit's boards also mirror the same opinion. Then there all the streamers who also seem to generally share the opinion that solo queue is the superior option.
And if you won't accept that reality, you probly won't accept this one as well, but Riot themselves knows the result of an unbiased poll that asks for the preference between solo queue and dynamic queue. Just think about it intelligently. One of the largest and most sensible outcries from the community has been the demand for an unbiased poll that asks for the preference between the two. And there is absolutely no way Riot has not seen the countless threads demanding it. Now if you really think about it, there is really one and only one reason why Riot wouldn't introduce such a poll. It's because they know the result won't favor their objectives and they don't care about the community opinion on it.
Says the guy speaking with what is half bias and opinion. I say every subset of the community, and your bias can only pick out the boards from that. Take a look at youtube. Not only does Riot's own video on dynamic queue get a crapton of dislikes in comparison to likes (a rather uncommon trend for youtube), youtubers themselves have come out mostly in support of solo queue over dynamic queue. Then there are the pro players themselves who are considered the peak of the league community who also have a majority preference for solo queue. It's not just the league boards that show a dislike for the lack of solo queue. Reddit's boards also mirror the same opinion. Then there all the streamers who also seem to generally share the opinion that solo queue is the superior option.
And if you won't accept that reality, you probly won't accept this one as well, but Riot themselves knows the result of an unbiased poll that asks for the preference between solo queue and dynamic queue. Just think about it intelligently. One of the largest and most sensible outcries from the community has been the demand for an unbiased poll that asks for the preference between the two. And there is absolutely no way Riot has not seen the countless threads demanding it. Now if you really think about it, there is really one and only one reason why Riot wouldn't introduce such a poll. It's because they know the result won't favor their objectives and they don't care about the community opinion on it.
Ok then let me pick it more a part for you. Who goes on boards? Dedicated players. Who goes on youtube to watch league content? Dedicated players. Who stream league? Dedicated players. Who goes to Reddit? Dedicated players. The fact of the matter is that you did not list every subset. You only listed sub sets that a minority of players who have the tendency to be very involved in the game. To sum it up; you only listed subsets that were convenient for you and use them as "proof".
Now on to your idea for a poll. I only really linger on boards so I will only speak to that. Boards has not had a large outcry for a unbiased poll. Maybe reddit has. Maybe the streamers have but boards has not. Do you remember over the last year the random polls you got asked to filled out when you signed in on the client? Well some of the questions on their were things like "do you enjoy playing with friends?" That was a unbiased random poll. Not all of the questions were great but that was a poll. Now the only difference between Riot and us is that they can see the results of those polls and I am willing to bet that the results say most people preferred to "play with friends". Now if you want to ask for those poll results to be made public I am all for that. If you want to change dynamic queue so it works better I am all for that. If you want to revert to solo queue I am for that too. However if you want to claim false statistics and accuse riot of lieing and other such unproductive things I am going to call you out on your bullshit. Not that I think it will change your opinion but hopefully it will change the opinion of a person reading it.
"Ok then let me pick it more a part for you. Who goes on boards? Dedicated players. Who goes on youtube to watch league content? Dedicated players. Who stream league? Dedicated players. Who goes to Reddit? Dedicated players."
YOU are making an assumption to prove your right. LOL kid you need to go back to school. There is zero proof of this. I LOVE to watch star craft so am i a dedicated player? NO i never play the game I cant stand it i suck so bad.
Statistics. When every subset of the community has a majority disapproval, all probability points to the community having a majority disapproval.
This. So much this.
Why is this impossible for people to wrap their brains around...
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Other question: How do SoloQQers know that the majority hates DQ?
Nobody knows, that's why both sides shouldn't use that argument.
we don't, we aren't idiot. But we talk about the portion we know.
we can't know if the WHOLE community like it or not, FACT IS THAT THE PORTION WHO SPEAKS HATE dynamic queue
if they don't care enough to voice their opinions .. then they don't care if they lose dynamicQ.
They play league for other reasons and don't care about stuff like this
Exactly, finally. If you really don't care just fk off. It's that simple.
I am probably the only person in league who doesn't even know what the whole dynamic/solo queue thing is all about.
I am probably the only person in league who doesn't even know what the whole dynamic/solo queue thing is all about.
Nah, there are more. Myself included. We just understand that if you don't main support then you will wait a bit. Support/Healer types are in demand in any game that requires them. People just need to bitch about something instead of adapting and changing. One day when they understand why ques take a bit if you are queing top/mid then the bitching and whining will stop but till then they will want RIOT to pull shit out of their asses that just don't exist.
New champion select has nothing to do with DQ. People are complaining about PREMADES being matched with/against solo players.
New champion select has nothing to do with DQ. People are complaining about PREMADES being matched with/against solo players.
Find friends and make your own premade.
What kind of logic is that? Seriously Oh, its logic of someone who doesn't play ranked at all ;)
I don't need friends to play CSGO, DOTA, SMITE, OVERWATCH or WOW, or any other MMO game. Why would i need friends to play league?
My friends IRL are silver-ish, and im plat+ player. I can't even queue with them and i am NOT going to send friend requests to randoms i meet in games just because i want to play the game.
What kind of logic is that? Seriously
Apparently the type you don't possess. It's called common sense.
LOL my common sense says not everyone on the planet earth wanna play a video game with friends my common sense says some peoples wanna a competitive game and enjoy themself i mean at this point go back to school.
LOL my common sense says not everyone on the planet earth wanna play a video game with friends my common sense says some peoples wanna a competitive game and enjoy themself i mean at this point go back to school.
Common sense also says that I gave you an option and you turn it into something else. Now that I know your true nature it's more or less about ignorance now with you.
well my common sense also see that you are getting downvoted so my common sense reading this as my sense is more common than your since the common peoples are find my common sense more common i guess (#getrekt)
Right up until you realize that the majority of people on the boards are simply here to complain while the majority if players continue to play League without comment or complaint.
oh yeah... right, you asked everyone, yup this guy know.
you guys been visited by Kuroi86 ? he his been around asking peoples who don't complain to know if they still playing and not complaining he been in your house or something, myself i didn't saw him but this guy know.
Watch the boards, watch, reddit, watch YouTube. Most people admit they couldn't care less which queue they play. The main people complaining are those that seem to believe you get matched against 4-5 man premade Smurfs in 11 out of 10 matches.
Proceed to make a post about a part of the community who don't complain and still playing (like he got numbers or talked to them) claims its a majority (he definitly has numbers we don't have).
then proceed to post, and goes from the non-vocal players, to peoples on many online media, don't tell us that this same majority of non-vocal players are actualy vocal and telling on many social media that they don't care... yeah you heard the man all this majority of non-vocal player took their time to tell us that they don't care (THATS MAKE SO MUCH SENSE, I FALLED DOWN MY CHAIR)
i don't have friends so they didn't upvoted me, peoples in general just very BORED that peoples with no valid informations, no facts, no numbers keep and keep making a silent majority talking, when theses peoples are not talking THATS mean i don't know you don't know nobody knows STOP SPREADING your observations as facts FFS. [zombie-brand-facepalm]
Watch the boards, watch, reddit, watch YouTube.
Okay, Oh look, what's that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwPa1SGLGv0 6,396 likes 19,155 dislikes
And anyways, where's your majority? Any facts?
When a video has that kind of absurdly lop-sided dislike, it's a safe bet that the dislikes are proportional for all the people viewing it. Enough people saw the video, saw the like/dislike bar, agreed with the results, and didn't feel the need to dislike themselves.
If 400,000 people thought the 20,000 dislikes are wrong...why did they not hit like to cancel them out?
They made that video in several languages ... (For captions ) and just for that reason was the video delayed a it
Here is a poll on EU West. Like 75% wants a PURE Solo Que. Rito is ignorant as hell.
What kind of logic is that? Seriously Oh, its logic of someone who doesn't play ranked at all ;)
I don't need friends to play CSGO, DOTA, SMITE, OVERWATCH or WOW, or any other MMO game. Why would i need friends to play league?
My friends IRL are silver-ish, and im plat+ player. I can't even queue with them and i am NOT going to send friend requests to randoms i meet in games just because i want to play the game.
What is the point of playing a mmorpg w/o friends? It's boring as hell
I didn't say a thing about MMORPGs, just about MMO as whole. You can enjoy Csgo and lol even when playing solo, and i sure do.
I didn't say a thing about MMORPGs, just about MMO as whole. You can enjoy Csgo and lol even when playing solo, and i sure do.
"I don't need friends to play WOW" wow=mmoRPG
MMOs are a little different, the nature of the game is more social, it forces people together, you can pick the game up on your own and make friends in game that you'll end up playing with. It's a lot different in league, you don't just see these people running around a city, you don't spend 4 hours in a pug raid with them getting to know them better, you don't level up with them consistently grouping with them for dungeons or quests as you level at the same time. You group with a random set of strangers for maybe 45 minutes at a time, and often times there's not a lot of actual conversation that happens outside of champ select and the first minute and a half of the game because everyone is focused on trying to do their job. So you basically have about 5 minutes total of interpersonal communication to go on, and whether a person did well or not. You end up getting more friend requests because you were a crazy wrecking ball in a game than because someone thought you were cool and wanted to have a good time with you in the future.
No one said you need friends, but you will have an overwhelming advantage if you can communicate well with teammates. All dyanmic queue does is allow people to queue up with people they know they can communicate with, and all the games you mentioned basically have dynamic queue in them already, so i dont really see your point.
Btw, if you don't want to friend people you play with online, that's on you. I for one found some of my best friends just by playing online and friend requesting people i liked
There's big difference. Csgo has in-game voice chat and cooperation doesn't really matter as much as individual skill does. In wow you play either pvp where you NEED to play duo/trio or PVE where you need 9+ more people. Overwatch, smite and dota are similar to league so your point stands.
As for friends in League... ill show you my situation.
Im playing league since early season 1, and i was able to gey AT LEAST gold in every season. At first i had this group of IRL friends i played with, rank and skill didnt matter as much. Everyone fed and was laughing stock for the rest of that group, but boy, it was fun. I played in every season, more or less games, but as time went many irl friends quit with league, only 2-3 are now still playing. And of course we can't play together unless we log in our smurfs, because of my high MMR in both ranks and normals.
As for virtual friends there are multiple problems:
So i believe you it's fun to have friends to play with, but it's stupid to penalize people who can't or even compare them to 3/4/5 man premades
I'm more worried about premades having the same ladder as soloQ. I don't mind playing against premades, as long as I'm on the ladder with other soloQ players in the same position. But when you can abuse the system by grouping up with smurfs, you might as well have tiers as a purchase for RP. At least Riot will be making money out of it rather than boosters.
Nah, there are more. Myself included. We just understand that if you don't main support then you will wait a bit. Support/Healer types are in demand in any game that requires them. People just need to bitch about something instead of adapting and changing. One day when they understand why ques take a bit if you are queing top/mid then the bitching and whining will stop but till then they will want RIOT to pull shit out of their asses that just don't exist.
And this right here is ignorance at it's finest. Or trolling at it's worst.
You're right, you don't understand what DQ is. Because what you're talking about is new champ select, and not what people are complaining about at all. Ya know...The things that are the actual cause of worse queue times, not role selection.
But hey I guess the fact that all the pros and LCS players are complaining about DQ makes them just bitchers and complainers too, right?
And this right here is ignorance at it's finest. Or trolling at it's worst.
You're right, you don't understand what DQ is. Because what you're talking about is new champ select, and not what people are complaining about at all. Ya know...The things that are the actual cause of worse queue times, not role selection.
But hey I guess the fact that all the pros and LCS players are complaining about DQ makes them just bitchers and complainers too, right?
Lol, ok, can't argue with stupid people with no common sense. Have a nice day and enjoy your whining and bitching.
Lol, ok, can't argue with stupid people with no common sense. Have a nice day and enjoy your whining and bitching.
Thank you for proving my point, son.
Thank you for proving my point, son.
Aww, I guess it's amazing for you in your own little delusional world that you live in. You will have a rough life little boy. You must have been gaming for as long as yesterday if you don't understand simple logic. When you grow up and have much more experience than you obviously do then maybe you will understand and will stop spewing BS lies and assumptions.
When you grow up and have much more experience than you obviously do then maybe you will understand and will stop spewing BS lies and assumptions.
Maybe Riot could do the same?
You know the majority of the playerbase simply doesn't care? Only like 5% is involved in all this mess, most people just wanna play and don't care for shit which Q they have to play with.
You know the majority of the playerbase simply doesn't care? Only like 5% is involved in all this mess, most people just wanna play and don't care for shit which Q they have to play with.
My queue times went from 30 seconds to 5 minutes since the cancellation of soloqueue and I'm a support main.
I think a bit more than 5% of the playerbase is involved in all this mess.
You are/were Diamond, what do you expect?
I used to be a support main and queue as one every now and then and my queues are instant.
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You are/were Diamond, what do you expect?
I used to be a support main and queue as one every now and then and my queues are instant.
Literally right before Riot announced that they are never going to bring solo queue back my queue times were within 30 seconds. Me being diamond has nothing to do with this,