What class is Qiyana?

HP Crookshanks·Jul 4, 2019·2 votes·2,043 views

She isn't mobile nor bursty as assassins and doesn't have the survivability of fighters.

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iiGazeiiJul 4, 20192 votes

She's got two dashes and the ability to throw out three high-damage abilities in sequence, how is that not an assassin?

If you want to kill somebody, you Q-W-E-aa-Q, ideally swapping elements and picking Earth as the last one. This maximizes the bonus damage from her passive, her W passive, and Q. Combined with Electrocute, she can easily one-shot squishies.

Her burst damage is insanely high, you just need to do the abilities in the right order. If you screw it up, you lose damage out of her passives.

HP CrookshanksJul 4, 20192 votes

Her both dashes are conditional which limits her mobility greatly.

iiGazeiiJul 4, 20192 votes

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Her both dashes are conditional which limits her mobility greatly.

She's still high mobility. The conditions of her dashes are pretty easy to meet, especially her W. She can engage with the root or stealth of her Q, and you can easily use both abilities to dodge skillshots. Just stand to the side of the minion wave, and you can use her E to juke sideways.

Her dashes may be situational, but they're still dashes that let her get close and stick to her target or avoid skillshots. Talon has two conditional dashes. Diana has one conditional dash. Kha'Zix has one dash, and one stealth ability. Kayn has one dash. Evelynn doesn't even have a dash, unless ulting backwards purely to engage counts. The number or freedom of their dashes isn't what makes an assassin what they are. It's the target access and damage, and Qiyana has got that.

StormBladeMasterJul 4, 20192 votes

If Qiyana is high mobility to you, then what Zed is ? What Diana and her 900ua dash range for you ?

What is Talon mobility ? What is Rengar, Kha'zix mobility ?

Qiyana mobility is based on little dash which is useless because she can't approach an adc as fast as the others assassin would do.

I'm a main adc btw. Qiyana don't afraid me at all. She will never reach me because little dash are so slow to reach someone while Zed and his W + R range can reach any adc he wants.

Qiyana isn't an assassin, she is a fighter. An assasin can reach adcs and destroy them. Qiyana can't. And that why she isn't an assassin.

iiGazeiiJul 4, 20191 votes

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If Qiyana is high mobility to you, then what Zed is ? What Diana and her 900ua dash range for you ?

What is Talon mobility ? What is Rengar, Kha'zix mobility ?

Qiyana mobility is based on little dash which is useless because she can't approach an adc as fast as the others assassin would do.

I'm a main adc btw. Qiyana don't afraid me at all. She will never reach me because little dash are so slow to reach someone while Zed and his W + R range can reach any adc he wants.

Qiyana isn't an assassin, she is a fighter. An assasin can reach adcs and destroy them. Qiyana can't. And that why she isn't an assassin.

She doesn't have the dash range of other assassins, but she has a lot more CC and utility than other assassins. She has stealth or a root to close the gap, a powerful stun on her ult, and high movement speed. Her Q range is quite long, and as her main damage tool, she doesn't have to get point-blank with someone to threaten them.

She can't fly in from across the map and siddenly be there, but her dashes have short cooldowns. Zed's dash is 20+ seconds long. Diana's is her ult and requires her to open with Qs to not get a long cooldown. Qiyana gets to dash multiple times in a skirmish, on top of her stealth and CC.

Qiyana is an assassin. High mobility, high damage, low defense. She doesn't have range on that mobility, but that doesn't remove her assassin status. She just has to get creative with her other tools to get close. Evelynn doesn't have a huge gap closer. Kayn doesn't have a huge gap closer. Ahri doesn't have a huge gap closer. They get close to their target with stealth, CC, and ranged damage. Qiyana is like them, not like those other assassins.

StormBladeMasterJul 4, 20192 votes

And ? CC and utility don't make a champ an assassin. It's not the goal of an assassin. She is more an ad mage then.

Shorts CD are useless vs repositionning. Qiyana dash CD are like 4s with 40% cdr but it's useless vs an adc like Cait who can reposition easy and delete her since she is squishy. I press E and AA, Qiyana don't reach me + my Janna support who bump her.

Do you think that shorts CD can make Qiyana reach a Vayne for example ? You think Vayne will wait for Qiyana to come at her ? Hit and run it's called and Qiyana suffer a lot from this.

While others assassins don't suffer from hit and run since their dash range are bigger and since they are faster.

High dmg ? Do we play the same game ? All assassins have more dmg than Qiyana. Unless she is 10/0, i don't see how she can deal like those assasins. Her AD scaling aren't that great.

Ahri not a huge glap closer ? But Ahri isn't melee, she is ranged and you don't need to be so close to your target to kill her like Qiyana.

One or two dash from Ahri are enough to land a charm, press Q W and delete someone.

Kayn must use walls to reach adcs but he can do it easier than Qiyana and he has a huge MS bonus speed for it. A single W and R and he is on the adc.

Evelynn is the most comparable to Qiyana because like her, she don't have much tools to reach her target. But Evelyn can delete someone pretty easy and have a big dmg even without much ap.

While Qiyana won't do dmg before having a serious stuff.

Qiyana may have many tools but no one of them is really remarkable. Her invisibility is cool but nothing more... Her stone buff is not transcendent and her ice tool too.

Her little dash is sympathic but nothing more.

Her kit is basically sympathic but nothing more.

Her ulti is what helps her to not be totally useless. Her 30% Win rate show that the champs isn't that good.

She will never be an assassin, maybe an AD mage but not an assassin.

preternaturalJul 4, 20192 votes

she's an assassin, anyone saying she has no dmg simply hasn't unlocked her dmg. git gud kids. we get put into shit balance situations because of ya'll trashers, stop being trashers so we can have a balanced game.

preternaturalJul 4, 20192 votes

duskblade first item on qiyana. that's all i give you, you must figure the mechanics on your own like i had to.