Magic Damage feels too weak without voidstaff, and too strong with it.

Wild Geese··2 votes·1,471 views

I'm really getting sick of voidstaff.

Void Staff has become so essential to do damage as a mage, so efficient that people are getting it first item. Sometimes it's a requirement to get it very early... One magic resist item and you might as well be autoattacking instead without void.

On the other hand- with Void Staff all magic resists are futile. Those Mercs and Visage fell like a bandaid at best. I've played both sides... Sucks to be a tank against void.

With Oblivion Orb being nerfed, Liandry's losing pen, and defensive boots often being needed in the high damage meta, the VoidStaff is becoming annoyingly vital and clearly beats all other options combined. We used to be able to stack 4 magic pen items and ignore void Staff, we used to have pen runes. That isn't a thing anymore thanks to Abyssal, Liandry's, and various other reworks. Damage before all utility?

I don't know the fix, but the AP items sure felt a lot better a year ago.

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Illabethe2 votes

It's not the Void staff imo. It's the Keystones mages use.

I'm currently hard climbing my smurf by literally spamming Zyra..... and although about 80% of my games are pure wins, there have been a few really annoying ones.

What did they have in common? 3 Semi Mobile tanks with tremendous reliance on item 3065 to survive. I'd start out these games wrecking them. But...... dealing with 3 tanks as Zyra is kind of a nightmare. You can do damage, but if you're the only one relevant, they eventually reach you and kill you.

And...... they were also building item 3053 .

I was going item 3165 item 3135 item 3089 item 3151 item 3116 , which I don't normally do. But..... by about 20-25 minutes, these teams would just outmuscle Voidstaff. The Barrier from Steraks + heals that were left over were enough to make me irrelevant. But....... I had 30+ stacks of DH. By the time I reached 52 stacks, I could do something again. As long as I could get them under 50%, the hits and chunks gave me margins to outplay again.

Just had one of these games. My Top Renekton left lane at level 3 and gave Garen a 100% free lane. Started telling team to do stupid things like take a drake when entire other team was RIGHT THERE, warded. So I had the choice; try to stop baron, or try to get kills off my team suiciding. I got a double off Drake while Garen had a free ride to take the second turret.

Entire game, Garen dominated 1v5. I could discourage him from advancing, but that was about it.

A i Bot 01 votes

Who do you play?

KirbyCake1 votes

No, even with void staff you are powerless against a tank that builds merc treads and adaptive helm and spirit visage. People complain about mages yet you NEVER see a 5 ap team comp due to a tank literally able to solo tank 1 v 5 with pure MR stacking. Yet 5 ad team comps are totally viable due to the amount of armor shred they can get compared to magic pen.

ı Sona ı1 votes

Annie isn't complaining about it. Rylai, Liandry, Death Cap, she gets a lot of work done.

Wild Geese1 votes

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Annie isn't complaining about it. Rylai, Liandry, Death Cap, she gets a lot of work done.

It depends on the champion. Like somebody with a high cc combo like Annie get away with it. Veigar can since 1000 ap is a lot to mitigate. Or an autoattacker like Kayle or Teemo of course don't really need voidstaff (it's strong on them though).

But more poke sustained damage mage like say, Lux, Orianna, Ahri, Vel'Koz, Xerath and the like definately feel not having enough magic pen.

ı Sona ı1 votes

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It depends on the champion. Like somebody with a high cc combo like Annie get away with it. Veigar can since 1000 ap is a lot to mitigate. Or an autoattacker like Kayle or Teemo of course don't really need voidstaff (it's strong on them though).

But more poke sustained damage mage like say, Lux, Orianna, Ahri, Vel'Koz, Xerath and the like definately feel not having enough magic pen.

MAYBE Orianna, MAYBE. But Vel'Koz turns his stuff into true damage anyways.

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