So how come nobody is talking about what 7.22 did to Leona?

TotalJerk·Nov 16, 2017·21 votes·3,304 views

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You get hit by an E at level 2/3 and it feels like a mid game assassin just jumped on you.

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AzadetheNov 16, 201714 votes

You do realize that MF hit thresh 4 times, including a Q and 3 W'd autos while Leona was on Thresh..... the damage was mostly not Leona. MF also hit a comet. That's MF being broken, not Leona.

Comet MF literally does a solid 60% hp HP damage in 1 hit early game. She can currently do 100% to 1700 hp champs at mid/late game, because it is not a multi trigger rune, and because her base scaling is larger with the new runes. If she has Leona, she also does extra magic damage to leona's targets on the first hit after.

RequiemsfireNov 17, 201713 votes

I mean on top of Leona's base damages and passive, missfortune also landed an empowered Q with Aery ;)

MhihnjNov 17, 20178 votes

Also, thresh doesn't get any Armor per level.

PearPearadoxNov 17, 20171 votes

All champions get armor per level, ranged champions are not granted MR per level.

Dark NephthysNov 17, 201711 votes

Thresh doesn't get any Armor per level, which is why his passive is so important because he gets armor from his souls so in lane, he only has that flat 28 armor and if he doesn't gain any armor/level

EschetonNov 16, 201712 votes

Are you even kidding me? Leona-Tristana is pick/ban right now.

Doomsday JudgeNov 16, 20179 votes

As a Leona main I cannot confirm. Aftershock's early damage is meh and delayed. Grasp is nice but barely makes up for the loss of AD from runes. Also in this video Thresh failed hard. But hey, if you have neither armor nor magic resist early like in this example, anyone could do this to you. Poke supports are far worse to lane against by the way. Go check Leona's base dmg and scalings as well as her passive. None of those actually deal comparably high dmg. Also the Resolve Tree does not really feel that strong compared to Domination and Sorcery.

DoozkuNov 17, 20178 votes

Your doing it wrong. It's not aftershock or grasp, it's press the attack

Chembaron YamadaNov 17, 201711 votes

In that video, I am pretty sure to see the aftershock animation, though.

MangelinaJolieNov 17, 20173 votes

Exactly this. PTA is insanely strong on her.

ProfDrDeathNov 17, 20171 votes

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/Leona/

No, it is not. It is ok at best, compared to Aftershock and Guardian.

AakeshNov 16, 20179 votes

video just shows how potato fucking brain that thresh is.

poke supports are worse due to lack of mr and armor right now have fun dealing with sona as she Qs and empower Q you on top of burning and fox slapping you in the face.

only thing leona got going for her is massive burst of armor and mr aftershock gives her off W (120+ armor and 100+ mr due to W and after shock at level two)

koshkyraNov 16, 20174 votes

not even reading the post

Leona is absolutely broken rn lol

AzadetheNov 16, 20177 votes

She's not broken. She's just as CCing as she's always been. Damage output is tiny still, compared to what her teammates do when she hits.

dangopeeNov 16, 20174 votes

People are. She's busted. Has a top winrate prob the only thing broken enough to beat Sona.

TotalJerkNov 17, 20171 votes

Leona is a hard counter to Sona, so the fact that Sona is meta just makes her even stronger.

waiting for WoWNov 16, 20174 votes

Aftershock and Grasp are just really really overtuned.

Aftershock is basically fearless(old mastery) on steroids with an AoE burst damage component. I'd say the resolve tree is easily the best set of runes in the new system tbh.

Dr PheepNov 16, 20178 votes

Everyone's talking about Leona being broken, Sona being broken... It's the runes, not the champ. :L Stop trying to nerf the supports, damnit!

HammermancerNov 17, 20172 votes

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Everyone's talking about Leona being broken, Sona being broken... It's the runes, not the champ. :L Stop trying to nerf the supports, damnit!

Leona is a closet top laner.. stahhhp

Dr PheepNov 17, 20172 votes

Zilean can mid really well, Braum is not a bad pick for jungle or top, Blitz can be played everywhere, Sona is a decent mid, Soraka can go anywhere and do great for the team, Janna's jungle clear time is better than Rivens early game and you don't need to take potions (Janna jungle isn't even bad, went to invade a Rengar level 2 and ran into him, plus killed him ((Season 7 early)), Taric use to be godly top. Point is, supports aren't only limited to bot lane. Their utility can be put to great use as a laner/jungler.

AzadetheNov 16, 20172 votes

Grasp is garbage atm. Doesn't apply to "on hits" and seems to not trigger on 90% of successful auto attacks.

HammermancerNov 17, 20174 votes

noone talking about Taric

but when he shows up it's fucking outrageous

BALDG1VEN BOOMERNov 17, 20173 votes

Thresh vs Leona is a skilled match up, if Thresh can’t flay the Leona E in time what do you expect will happen?

notice me Sin piNov 17, 20173 votes

i don't think it's really an issue with leona.

Thresh starts off with very low armor due to being balanced around soul collecting. To add salt on the wound, new rune gives a whopping +5 armor too. But then i've not met any Leona as opponent so im not really sure how it feels like to be at the receiving end.

ChemicalBusterNov 17, 20173 votes

new meta jg assassin leona

Sire HippingtonNov 17, 20172 votes

not much difference to leona befor that, her lvl 2/3 all-in always was amongst the best in the game. I played her solo top some times and easily out trade champs like riven at that point, and that's without passive procs. Also, Mfs early should never be underestimated, their combined killpreasurte is and always was rather high. The bigger difference is that 20 base armor increase really make her tanky if combined with the hp from the tank tree, while most other champs rather lost tankiness with the rune/masterie rework.

Jerry SeinfeIdNov 17, 20172 votes

this isn't new... before colosus i used to play tld leona with adc runes. at lvl 3 i'd all in the enemy adc or enchanter if they had one and if my adc would react that ensured a kill.

leona was always capable to burst someone down at lvl 2/3. if you build titanic + triforce + tank you can keep doing that, it's just expensive as shit, which is why i prefer jungle leo.

revliledpembrokeNov 17, 20172 votes

Leona's passive is to allow her allies to deal more damage to a target after she hits them with an ability. There was a MF right there in that fight, so, I can easily see why Thresh melted.

Friendly RamNov 17, 20172 votes

Praise the sun. [T]/

thresh can got caught out and the sun came down to greet him.

ReletrNov 17, 20172 votes

You screwed it up, downvoted

PRAISE SOLAIRE AND PRAISE THE SUN [T]/

Linna ExcelNov 17, 20172 votes

This is normal. You know I'm surprised riot never give her some small AD scalings to let her be a vanguard/diver.

InfernapeNov 16, 20171 votes

That's why you don't fuck with Leona.

ThefrostyvikingNov 17, 20171 votes

MF got a bounce in, and she legit hurts a ton when she does.

That and thresh is squishier now with armor and magic resist runes gone.

Which is absolutely perfect for a early all in expert like leo, and twice so with a MF who also now is so strong.

TotalJerkNov 17, 20171 votes

Here's how much rune damage this did:

Leona:

Aftershock: 81.68
Cheap Shot: 14

Total: 95.68

Miss Fortune:

Arcane Comet: 52.2
Scorch: 34
Cheap Shot: 14

Total: 100.2

Meaning runes alone did 195.88 damage to Thresh. Stacking damage runes is giving tons of early game burst. Which synergies really well with Leona's early game engage.

There was also no compensation for the removal of MR glyphs in 7.22. Leona does a lot of magic damage early on, especially since there were two or three passive procs in there.

ThefrostyvikingNov 17, 20171 votes

Well runes did a bit more than i had expected O_O

But yeah i wrote on missing armor/mr runes x)

And i started having flashbacks of when i started playing in season 3, Draven and leo were the hot combo in the botlane at the time x)

All the traumas i have from back then are coming back to me x)

TotalJerkNov 17, 20171 votes

To be fair that doesn't account for resistances. Still a fuckton of damage.

Stars ShaperNov 17, 20171 votes

Runes in general play a major part early game.

As Xerath I'm using comet, the added AP by being high health and scorch and let me tell you that if I ever stun or bullseye with my W then my enemy laner has to backup.

Zero Skill TankNov 17, 20171 votes

Now, I'm not saying Leo is not strong, but that Thresh was dead in any patch.

Best Vi EarthNov 18, 20171 votes

we already know shes strong. stop saying anything she will get nerfed. i mean aftershock will get a nerf soon so i would say electrocute will be her next big thing since it may get a small buff