jayce overtuned af right now

A Dizzy Lulu·Oct 14, 2016·28 votes·2,011 views

pls turn him down. just rushes damage item and doesn't give a shit about mana

also feels great dodging his q but getting put on half HP by his stupid auto attacks

48 Comments

HyperiönOct 14, 20166 votes

They haven't touched jayce besides his Ultimate giving an AD scaling, instead of AP.

Jayce has always been like this, but people never thought to play him.

DJ LucioOct 14, 20164 votes

Exactly, he's been untouched until this year's LCS rolled around.

People see him do good at worlds

He does good in ranked

Now he's "overtuned"

HyperiönOct 14, 20161 votes

He isn't over tuned. It is just the items making him seem more oppressive. Just wait until pre season when they are reworking armor pen.

DJ LucioOct 14, 20161 votes

He's not overtuned in the slightest, it's just the builds.

HyperiönOct 14, 20161 votes

Which is what I said xD

SpoofghoulOct 14, 20161 votes

Just because people haven't touched him doesn't mean he isn't overtuned bro

there is tons of broken stuff sheople aren't abusing since theya re sheople and need somebody else to show them how it's done

ZED G0DOct 14, 20164 votes

I dont see how LCS is relevant at our ELO...Faker can take Veigar and smash my face in with my Zed main...Veigars hardest counter..

but nah, Jayce can legit 50% or more someone with a single charged up Q..

MunchCrunchLunchOct 14, 20161 votes

70% someone.

A Dizzy LuluOct 14, 20164 votes

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I dont see how LCS is relevant at our ELO...Faker can take and smash my face in with my main...Veigars hardest counter..

but nah, Jayce can legit 50% or more someone with a single charged up Q..

I wouldn't say Zed is Veigar's hardest counter though

Meep ManOct 14, 20161 votes

Nah, I agree. Zed is Veigar's best counter. Zed can blink through Veigar E and use R to dodge Veigar's R, all while having more consistent poke than Veigar. Zed just has all the exact right tools to counter most of his Veigar's abilities that use up so much of Vei's power budget.

crippler38Oct 14, 20161 votes

I'd say kass, they're both weak pre-6 and kass is a lot harder to oneshot and predict with the stun if veigar holds onto it.

crippler38Oct 14, 20161 votes

can't veigar if you ult him ever just plop the cage under his feet then stun you and instantly kill you?

Meep ManOct 14, 20161 votes

That's why you have to wait for Veigar to take the offensive before using R. Veigar really loves getting kills so he will try eventually.

crippler38Oct 14, 20163 votes

trying to cage a zed is lunacy considering he teleports rather than dashes, then again I mostly pack exhaust on my mid laners just to say FU assassins, because hue.

CatastropOct 14, 20161 votes

Standing still then placing it behind you isn't very hard.

crippler38Oct 14, 20161 votes

I mean using cage before zed ults is hard, since he can just stand in the center then hop out.

CatastropOct 14, 20161 votes

That's how you lose the match up though, at no point do you want to cage for a trade while he has ult, unless it's for a gank and even that's questionable.

crippler38Oct 14, 20161 votes

that's my point, zed isn't likely to murder veigar without the ult and he can't ult unless veigar fucks it.

LXIIOct 14, 20163 votes

Feels great dodging his Q, then the next one, then the next one, then one more, then... oh no he hit you this time. 80% hp gone and you have to leave.

Squidward DabOct 14, 20162 votes

Careful, if you dare object to the fact his blast with gate combo can deal 60% of ur hp with a fast skillshot is a bit unfair, you'll get roasted alive because it's a hard to land skillshot so therefore it deserves to delete ur health bar

MLDzXnRRROct 14, 20161 votes

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Careful, if you dare object to the fact his blast with gate combo can deal 60% of ur hp with a fast skillshot is a bit unfair, you'll get roasted alive because it's a hard to land skillshot so therefore it deserves to delete ur health bar

And all the ADC deserve to delete hp bars with right clicks. Just look all the worlds games to see how Jayce falls off compared to someone like Caitlyn. His lategame is pathetic, because of his low range and zero synergy with AS items.

LXIIOct 14, 20162 votes

"Falls off" From level 3 on he can delete at least one champion with a single rotation. his EQ damage also never really stops melting anyone that isn't a tank.

Comparing to ADC doesn't even make sense either. Yes, they right click for damage, but generally when you get onto them they die. They don't turn their guns into hammers then knock you away for 20% max hp +100% Bonus AD.

GrReaper96Oct 14, 20161 votes

"Synergy with AS items" Why would he need that when he gets max AS for 3 empowered attacks every 5 seconds? (3 with max cdr)

LohenngrammOct 14, 20161 votes

Mostly because Critical Chance has been changed. There's only two items in the game that grant crit without AS now for a total of 40% crit, meaning that Jayce will have less critical strike chance (and lower overall damage) than a proper adc even with his AS buff.

GrReaper96Oct 15, 20161 votes

ERm but you know, Jyace isnt a ADC so yeah. Hes just a semi-ranged fighter. Heck even if you wanted to play him adc Corki does plenty well without crit damage due to his burst, similar to jayce.

LohenngrammOct 15, 20161 votes

I never said he was an ADC, I merely explained why Jayce's lack of synergy with AS items causes him to fall off which is what you asked about. I'm not sure why you brought Corki into it, since their kits are completely different.

LXIIOct 14, 20161 votes

Honestly I might not even care if it didn't have a deceptive blast radius too.

SwaggyMcGhee420Oct 14, 20161 votes

Considering it has a 16 second cooldown, is projected and pretty easy to dodge, and costs 120 mana, it's pretty balanced. Also, it will never do that much damage in lane unless he's ridiculously fed.

Shadow HazardOct 14, 20163 votes

The issue is that that they buffed him right before worlds so that he can be in there. Pure Jayce mains were already VERY strong with him already, and it sucks for them that they not only have to deal with having their main be a fotm but there were also some pretty vocal ones saying that the buff was a great idea and was needed.

ZED G0DOct 14, 20162 votes

ALSO, plat 3 - Plat 1 in 10 days..damn OP, good job! :)

MJH2010Oct 14, 20162 votes

I've been playing jayce for a while. Hes always been strong as shit, and landing a charged q through minions is not easy, therefore deserves to be strong.

And besides, the mana costs to even use the e q w r q w e combo makes it feel fair. At the right damage to mana build it will use most of your mana early game

GrReaper96Oct 14, 20161 votes

item 3070 = 750g = all the mana you need

MJH2010Oct 17, 20161 votes

Yes i agree. I get tear and cleaver early then its gg.

VesperNadalOct 14, 20162 votes

Jayce is fine.

EmojayOct 14, 20161 votes

Have you SEEN the lates LCS game?

ErockandrollOct 14, 20163 votes

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Have you SEEN the lates LCS game?

dude, the fact that he's even picked in the LCS, means that their is merit in that pick. (Not just an off pick, he also draws bans on the worlds stage)

Yet people bitch about Jayce choosing a burst caster build, as apposed to his classic poke and Siege build. All because he's a little less mana dependent. And Riot is probably going to hold off on any changes, since that itemization is going to get changed up.

EmojayOct 14, 20161 votes

But have you actually SEEN the latest lcs game? With ssg? Yaaaaaaaah...

A Dizzy LuluOct 14, 20162 votes

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But have you actually SEEN the latest lcs game? With ssg? Yaaaaaaaah...

This is irrelevant considering that it was KR vs NA. If you put c9 on all OP champs, they'd still probably lose, sadly enough

Meep ManOct 14, 20161 votes

That is 2 patches ago in 6.18.

MysteriousBootieOct 14, 20161 votes

BUFF LATE GAME PLIXY PLOX

I WANNA SHRED TANKS TOO

XeruonOct 14, 20161 votes

Jayce is a super overloaded champion, just like any other champion with more than 4 active abilities, and this means that he is inherently "overtuned" no matter what you do to him. The main thing gating Jayce was mana costs, now that he can ignore that, he is strong again. That's the main problem here.

Phoenix Kotori Oct 14, 20161 votes

I played Jayce for the first time in like a year yesterday he felt way too strong, it felt too easy to be successive with him even without landing his E/Q ranged combo on people because his melee all in felt absurd now.

Supreme Senpai69Oct 14, 20161 votes

My friend is a Jayce main. They buffed him really hard a little while back and now he's used a lot in the LCS. He was happy.

I couldn't break it to him that now Riot will gut him.

Spaceman5pffOct 15, 20161 votes

LCS isn't even going on right now...

Supreme Senpai69Oct 15, 20161 votes

I obviously meant worlds but thank you for correcting me on that

A Dizzy LuluOct 14, 20161 votes

To people saying he was not touched -

He got mana cost reductions not too long ago

l Helios lOct 14, 20161 votes

I don't feel like it has anything to do with Jayce's numbers. Mid Jayce hasn't seen play to my knowledge; Mid Jayce's win rate is down this patch actually. It has more to with a) flat armor pen builds being just silly and b) he's a ranged top laner who can bully half of the champion pool because he can brawl and poke. Tbh, he's just doing what Kennen and Gnar have been doing for several patches, Gnar being the worst offender imo. Until they get a handle on flat armor pen items, we won't get anywhere, and Jayce will just get dumpstered as a result, again. Luckily, flat armor pen is one of the big things in preseason so cheers! Let's hope it turns out well.

All SkillzzOct 14, 20161 votes

jayce is fucking broken lol. hes been in almost every game ive played today either feeding on my team or dominating on enemy team. its like pre rework nidalee.