its interesting to see how many champions flash has downright broken.

Critmaster Garen··3 votes·516 views

a lot of the top teir picks are only in their position despite massive nerf streaks because of their interaction with cc/mobility abilities and flash.

RekSai flash, knockup initiates Gragas flash body slam initiates Shen flash taunt initiates

those are only the most recent champs who are basically getting nerfed into shit teir because of their interaction with flash.

i know it works with Vi q aswell. shes not currently considered broken, but as soon as the other guys are out of the way, i can easily see her go down the same road of nerf battery as soon as she shows up in pro games.

actually lets also throw Annie into the mix, considering flash basically increases her threat range and point and click burst to distances similar to a morgana binding. the entire weakness of her short ability range as a counterbalance to her reliability is kindof mute when she can circumvent this weakness every time flash is off cooldown.

maybe its time to really take a look if the summoner shouldnt be replaced by something else?

summoner 32 is just as much an initiation tool to make plays as flash, without allowing these ability interactions, and without being as reliable as flash considering its a skillshot. a version of mark/dash balanced for summoners rift could be a more healthy replacement for flash, for champions who look for an engage tool.

and im sure there are ways to replace the escape component of the summoner aswell. a backwards dash active like quinns vault on boots for example (without the slow or damage).

what makes the summoner really overpowered is that its a reliable engage and escape tool at the same time, and how it extends ability ranges beyond what is intended to keep a champion balanced, while making them more reliable at the same time.

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Jbels1 votes

I mean, we don't need to replace Flash with mark/dash, we could just let Ghost actually be used on champions that aren't ghost dependent for once

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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I mean, we don't need to replace Flash with mark/dash, we could just let Ghost actually be used on champions that aren't ghost dependent for once

there are a lot of reasons why flash is superior to ghost unless on rare champions like olaf and singed.

and even he would go ghost/flash, if the map control from teleport wouldnt be so important right now.

WoonStruck1 votes

The biggest issue with flash is simply the ability to remove reaction time via a limited few abilities.

Rek'Sai, Gragas, Shen, Vi, and Azir are just the most obvious examples.

Annie doing flash->ult doesn't mean much at the professional level unless its actually unexpected because there IS a noticable cast delay for Tibbers that you have to react to.

The 'broken' thing about flash IS NOT its ability to extend effective ranges, its the ability to remove potential for reaction and effectively be unable to miss alongside it.

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