Some champions that can actually bully Vayne hard if you know what you're doing

ReshiKillim··11 votes·1,703 views

Now, they don't all bully Vayne in the same way. But a Vayne and most other ADCs wouldn't like playing against them.

TahmKench Taric Braum Caitlyn VarusKogMaw Lulu Draven Morgana Jinx Ashe Blitzcrank

Situationally: Graves

To those more familiar with Vayne: Remind me of any I'm missing from this lil'list?

Edit: Thank you for your.. Contributionnnn.Velkoz

38 Comments

Only Play Darius7 votes

Who cares if you bully her in lane?

She rubber bands her way back into the game very fast, be it through farming in lane because no one can assassinate her before she peels them off, or ks'ing a triple in a teamfight.

Meep Man4 votes

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Who cares if you bully her in lane?

She rubber bands her way back into the game very fast, be it through farming in lane because no one can assassinate her before she peels them off, or ks'ing a triple in a teamfight.

Assassins that can kill Vayne before she "peels them off" or ignores the peel: Leblanc Malzahar MasterYi Poppy Rengar Shaco Talon Veigar Warwick

(Pssst, you guys want these guys to be nerfed right)

LordGeovanni1 votes

broken champions to beat broken champions isnt an answer

Chaotic Reks1 votes

Veigar broken?

BeMyFriendPlease1 votes

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Veigar broken?

item 3140 and veigar is useless. Zero mobility hurts more than you'd imagine

LordGeovanni1 votes

i know veigar isnt broken but he does have have infinite scaleing though

Meep Man1 votes

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broken champions to beat broken champions isnt an answer

Thats the reasoning that makes her so prominate.

LaceUp233 votes

Most those champs aren't even close to being broken lol.

Worgenflorgen3 votes

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Most those champs aren't even close to being broken lol.

It's more sub-gold, rather than look into more skilled players' methods for handling certain champions and applying it, people would rather whine that a champion is broken and anything that can beat them is even more broken by default.

Which isn't to say that some things aren't bullshit, but Vayne is so easy to lane against sub-gold because no one who is good at Vayne will ever be in Silver for long. Her early game is pathetic and you can pick any ADC with a strong early (or just RANGE) to make her run for the hills.

Basically this game shouldn't be balanced around low-elo at all. If a champion is too strong in lower elos, it's because the players don't know how to play against it, not that it's a broken champion that should be gutted! Players will eventually learn to either play against that champion and improve their game as a whole, or the players who are abusing the champion to climb will hit a point where players know how to play against that champion and will have to adjust their playstyle accordingly or fall again. Notice how "improving as a player" is a key point in both of these factors. This entire game should be approached with a sense of "How do I learn how to play against X?" not "X is broken, delete them!"

Spacesuit Spiff1 votes

Exactly. A lot of the champs that get complained about either need unusual counterplay or have unusual mechanics you need to deal with or have an unusual power curve. These guys are how everyone else expands their knowledge of the game by learning to deal with them, but ppl destined for silver would rather just cry op

OnanThaMan1 votes

Leblanc is the only broken one up there with no planned changes on the horizon.

Only Play Darius1 votes

Another reason Vayne became so strong is because all the 100-0 instaburst assassins got nerfed. At the moment that's the only way to deal with her, since she will condemn tumble herself to safety if anyone else who's combo takes more than 0.001 seconds tries to catch her while she's solo farming a wave.

Icestar11861 votes

Crowd control.

Worgenflorgen2 votes

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Who cares if you bully her in lane?

She rubber bands her way back into the game very fast, be it through farming in lane because no one can assassinate her before she peels them off, or ks'ing a triple in a teamfight.

Wave manipulation.

Bully Vayne out, freeze lane so she can't farm without dying, suddenly she falls behind hard in CS and gold.

Vayne needs items to do damage, because she's an AD Carry. An AD Carry that can't farm isn't going to be doing much damage. And yes, CS matters in this equation.

The Sword Saint1 votes

Hey now, you can't expect people to learn advanced concepts like zoning vayne off the minion wave to make her fall behind. They'd rather try to kill her early over and over and push the wave to tower, then act shocked when she manages to live and farm under turret.

ninjaIRL 4 votes

I don't know about the Braum pick. You build a lot of health which Vayne does well against. Your defensive steroid is hardly effective against Vayne. Your Q and ult are easily dodged by vayne. If you try to get to her face she will simply condemn you away leaving you high and dry. Braum isn't the greatest bullyman.

Ralanr1 votes

Braum is too much of a nice guy.

Diananmen Square1 votes

He's not evil, therefore Silver Bolts has no effect on him.

Icestar11861 votes

Actually, as Braum top with a bruiser build, you can 1v1 a Vayne and win if you play well.

RyzeRework2 votes

graves almost 1v1 vayne at any point in the game burst 2 stronk

Chespin20132 votes

U forgot Mordekaiser He actually bullys Vayne really hard in laning phase and punishes her going to cs plus vayne ghost is best ghost

alfavhunter2 votes

Cho makes a viable support vs vayne

His base numbers burst chunks her

Silence then nock up then feast, she will be near dead after that

Pikmints1 votes

Once you have Feast you can do a lot, but before that you're going to take at least 3 shots assuming she doesn't walk up to you when you're in an unwarded bush.

Kledy McKledFace1 votes

Morgana ... her cd cd shorter than vayne how could u forget that

NoMonku1 votes

Graves Jinx Ashe Draven all dump on her easy if you know what you are doing. Graves only flaw is he is outscaled hard by her, so if the game drags on late, as it often does in solo queue, she will get stronger then him.

AmazingBeaver1 votes

Lulu is my choice against Vayne

ReshiKillim1 votes

I'm pretty familiar with Vayne players having a tendency towards hating Lulu (Mostly because of range in /All chat when Lulu was FTP) when she's supporting. Seeing a Vayne get squirrelfied and pacified is hilarious, like seeing a maxed size Cho get eaten by a Tahm/hide in a bush.

AmazingBeaver1 votes

Her W is solid but her E when casted on enemy gives vision of them so champs like Vayne MonkeyKing Shaco Akali can't use stealth to outplay or hide and run .

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

You forgot Quinn

ninjaIRL 1 votes

Except quinn is buggy :(

LordGeovanni1 votes

quinn isnt buggy people just relieing on valor treating it like reliable damage when its more like crit that identifies itself

Retillin1 votes

Well even Riot has admitted she's buggy (in the last two days on these boards).

Crossette1 votes

Thresh

LordGeovanni1 votes

thats usually if both adc and support are trying to all in to push her out of lane but most adcs want to sit back and farm and they usually only consititute an early game advantage if vayne doesnt have a synergistic support

TyroneWatermelon1 votes

who lieks to play vs them anyway? dont forget its a 2v2 lane,which the strenghts of adc are enchanted and weaknesses are not the same as you think

Pikmints1 votes

I've personally had some success in lane against Vayne as Nami. I auto her with my E, try to Q if her tumble's on cooldown, and as long as she doesn't get her silver bolts proc I can out trade her with my W.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

The problem isn't that Vayne can't be bullied. The problem is that Cutlass gives a significantly higher power spike than BFS, and BoRK is a much better mid game item than I.E.

Scorpionex1 votes

Graves plus Leona bot lane = Dead Vayne every time she steps up to cs

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