I hate QQ / OP threads, but doesn't this seem a little bit unfair?
On its own, win rates mean nothing, and with my champion pool, Fiora's a non-issue, but on the whole, is this data simply anecdotal or is she actually a problem?
And if she is a problem, RiotRep or anybody else, do you have any plans in store?
Keep the thread clean. Discuss, but no getting angry or upset. We're a community, guys :)
MisterHealYoGirl11 votesI think that the main issue with Fiora right now in the LCS is that the champions who are good against her aren't great in a competitive environment. Jax, Rammus etc. all work alright against her, but have significant weaknesses that can be exploited in an LCS level game. I'd be interested to see someone play Quinn into Fiora; I haven't played it myself, but I feel like Quinn could win that.
The other thing that comes up when the casters talk about Fiora is that unless she gets camped REALLY hard and the game ends before she gets two or three items, she's an unstoppable split pusher; unless you're ahead as a massive ball of stats like Dr. Mundo or Trundle, you'll probably lose that duel.
There's also the fact that other regions haven't had nearly as much success with Fiora; she's won 2 of 14 games in the LPL, 4 of 9 in EU. It's possible that NA teams just aren't as good at playing against Fiora.
EDIT: Quinn top has dethroned NA Fiora! IMT vs. FOX.
Ralanr6 votesThis is why I think her counters need some changes in order to be viable in competitive.
Specifically Pantheon.
stealthfox941 votesSurprised no one has tried Graves top into her.
Lugg3 votesFiora was on the OP side BEFORE the rework. The rework just made her even stronger and more toxic. I just love that they gave arguably the best duelist in the game more utility than most of the supports.
Sir Yamazuki1 votesFiora was on the OP side BEFORE the rework. The rework just made her even stronger and more toxic. I just love that they gave arguably the best duelist in the game more utility than most of the supports.
How does she have more team oriented utility than say Janna? Other than her W she has nothing that actually benefits the team on demand, her ult requires something to be done where as literally Janna's entire kit is for the benefit of her team.
Lugg1 votesI said MOST of the supports. Janna is probably THE best utility support since she can reset mistakes her team makes. Fiora's AoE heal is basically an auto win for any teamfight that she gets it off due to the very high heal it gives.
Wînter Fox3 votesLooks like Gameplay found its new "delete this champ" target. Whip out those pitchforks boys, it's nerfin' season!
Melledoneus3 votesRiot found a trophy wife for their poster boy 
. They're not going to nerf her.
CppL1 voteswth are you talking about.last time i saw she had about 56% win ratio.28% pick ratio and something like 30% ban ratio.Still to high tho.
MisterHealYoGirl4 voteshttp://lol.gamepedia.com/2016_NA_LCS/Spring_Split/Champion_Statistics etc. According to this, Fiora has been picked 10 times in the NA LCS, and won all of those games. She has a 44% winrate on 9 picks in EU, a 66% winrate on 12 picks in the LCK, and a 21% winrate in the LPL of 14 picks.
YCitizenSnipsY1 votesWell judging by those stats I would say that either the rest of the world is bad at Fiora (doubtful), or NA just haven't figured out how to deal with her. Either way talking about a champions performance in the LCS like it applies to ones normal games in solo que is a bad move by OP.
yay nibbers1 votesOr that it's more that Fiora just happened to only be in winning games so far in NA. It's only been 10 games after all, not exactly a large sample size to base a theory off of.
KillerKell1 votesShe just got destroyed by a Quinn.
GlockHammer1 votesShe just got destroyed by a Quinn.
Ok, so one champ has a favorable matchup against her. Ok, so there is nothing wrong with her beating up the other 127 champions with ease. Ok. Ok. OK.
KillerKell2 votesRight... one champ.
Have you seen Fiora's Win Rate in Leagues other than North America?
Wrecked. Destroyed. EU and LPL have zero issue against her... guess they all play Quinn Top?
But bring that weak sauce 'one champ' Counter BS, and keep QQing.
Maybe if you stop being so narrow minded, step back and see how and what others do to Counter her, you'd realize.
But it's way to easy to cry about it instead.
Why learn and improve, when we can just complain?
GlockHammer1 votesRight... one champ.
Have you seen Fiora's Win Rate in Leagues other than North America?
Wrecked. Destroyed. EU and LPL have zero issue against her... guess they all play Quinn Top?
But bring that weak sauce 'one champ' Counter BS, and keep QQing.
Maybe if you stop being so narrow minded, step back and see how and what others do to Counter her, you'd realize.
But it's way to easy to cry about it instead.
Why learn and improve, when we can just complain?
That was ofc an exagaration, doesn't change the fact that you can steamroll this champ all game and still have her come back and assrape you if you haven't closed the game before she has 3 items.
Doesn't change the fact that she is utterly unfun to play against, has to much utility loaded into her kit, even when compared to supports that are more or less specialized in utility.
Also, when your ONLY option against a champ is to counterpick due to the fact that there so little direct counterplay and counterbuild, doesn't that scream imbalance?
And please, don't bring my personal traits into this. That's pathetic argumentation, if you want to discuss, stick to the topic.
KillerKell1 votesWe are talking about a Champion with a 21% Win Rate in the LPL, with a 44% Win Rate in EU.
Obviously, your concerns are unfounded, the Champion is not OP and in fact in certain areas is very Weak.
There is nothing about Fiora that screams she is some unstoppable force... because Europe and the LPL have shown exactly how to keep her down.
When you come with some over the top hyperbole about how only 'one champion' can counter her, when all I did was give the most recent NA example to counter her... what is one to expect? You had closed your mind to what the rest of the League Community was doing (narrow minded, as I said) DESPITE them having GREAT SUCCESS against Fiora.
So was I wrong? Were you not being narrow minded? Were you not instead taking the easy way about crying about how OP she is, when I have direct evidence that she is not?
Instead, I challenge you to open your mind and try a little harder. Look deeper. What is EU doing to keep Fiora in check? What is the LPL doing to dominate her? What is NA failing to do to slow her down, until Quinn played by Huni?
Look at those things and you will see why Fiora is NOT OP, and how there IS counter play to her.
The reason I brought your personal traits into it, is because it is those exact traits holding you back from understanding this Fiora situation more adeptly. There was no way to stick to the topic if all you were going to do was completely ignore the points made to you... I had to illustrate to you that you were being narrow minded on the subject and if you'd just step back you'd get plenty of examples on how to Counter Fiora and why she isn't OP.
Maybe now that you are aware that you were indeed being narrow minded, you'll take that chance to reset and step back to look at this situation with more perspective.
It's like anything else man, it's all Educational. It's how you choose to approach viewing the game. You can keep that view casual... and a Casual NA View would be to insist that Fiora is OP... or you can really educate yourself, and see that others have no such issue with Fiora, and see how it is that they deny her so that you can understand why she actually isn't OP.
NA has been playing against Fiora WRONG. It's really that simple. Up to Quinn face stomping her. Hopefully, the NA teams will look to EU and LPL to see what they do to stop her, and make the proper adjustments for games she is in. If not, they will continue to get destroyed by her (as will fans of NA who will follow what they do blindly and not look beyond that Fandom for an Advantage).
She is not OP, she is instead being allowed to ravage NA because they refuse to look around and see what others have done to shut her down. Which NA is known for being behind the curve on such things, so this should surprise no one.
GlockHammer1 votesWe are talking about a Champion with a 21% Win Rate in the LPL, with a 44% Win Rate in EU.
Obviously, your concerns are unfounded, the Champion is not OP and in fact in certain areas is very Weak.
There is nothing about Fiora that screams she is some unstoppable force... because Europe and the LPL have shown exactly how to keep her down.
When you come with some over the top hyperbole about how only 'one champion' can counter her, when all I did was give the most recent NA example to counter her... what is one to expect? You had closed your mind to what the rest of the League Community was doing (narrow minded, as I said) DESPITE them having GREAT SUCCESS against Fiora.
So was I wrong? Were you not being narrow minded? Were you not instead taking the easy way about crying about how OP she is, when I have direct evidence that she is not?
Instead, I challenge you to open your mind and try a little harder. Look deeper. What is EU doing to keep Fiora in check? What is the LPL doing to dominate her? What is NA failing to do to slow her down, until Quinn played by Huni?
Look at those things and you will see why Fiora is NOT OP, and how there IS counter play to her.
The reason I brought your personal traits into it, is because it is those exact traits holding you back from understanding this Fiora situation more adeptly. There was no way to stick to the topic if all you were going to do was completely ignore the points made to you... I had to illustrate to you that you were being narrow minded on the subject and if you'd just step back you'd get plenty of examples on how to Counter Fiora and why she isn't OP.
Maybe now that you are aware that you were indeed being narrow minded, you'll take that chance to reset and step back to look at this situation with more perspective.
It's like anything else man, it's all Educational. It's how you choose to approach viewing the game. You can keep that view casual... and a Casual NA View would be to insist that Fiora is OP... or you can really educate yourself, and see that others have no such issue with Fiora, and see how it is that they deny her so that you can understand why she actually isn't OP.
NA has been playing against Fiora WRONG. It's really that simple. Up to Quinn face stomping her. Hopefully, the NA teams will look to EU and LPL to see what they do to stop her, and make the proper adjustments for games she is in. If not, they will continue to get destroyed by her (as will fans of NA who will follow what they do blindly and not look beyond that Fandom for an Advantage).
She is not OP, she is instead being allowed to ravage NA because they refuse to look around and see what others have done to shut her down. Which NA is known for being behind the curve on such things, so this should surprise no one.
Jesus fucking christ man, I'm here to discuss a champion not sit in for goddamn lecture. Why is it so goddamn hard for you to actually stick to the subject instead of throwing pie at me is it really that fucking hard?
Also, why would I be taking tips on how to play the game from a bronze scrub? Yeah? You like that? How about we discuss why you are a bronze scrub and make a wall of text out of it, heck, we can even discuss if taking tips from a bronze scrub is most adviceable? Seems really fucking productive huh? Get a life man. I'm done, keep posting your pointless walls of text, maybe someone will read them.
KillerKell1 votesLOL!
You think Fiora is OP. You use her Win Rate in the NALCS to 'prove' this.
Don't take the word of a Bronze Scrub like me, I've told you TAKE THE WORD OF THE FUCKING PRO PLAYERS IN THE LPL AND EU THAT WRECK FIORA.
But I guess you're smarter than them, too.
Have a nice day.
KillerKell1 votesNot to mention you are Level 29, you aren't even playing Ranked yet.
So nice burn calling me out being Bronze... you don't even play Ranked to have any real idea, but think it's cool to try to bash some one that does play Ranked.
And hell, you play EUNE... they actually do well against Fiora there. You don't even fall under that NA Trap of Fiora OP... yet some how still fall into thinking she's OP. SMH.
So again... you can cry. Or you can step back and learn... not from me, but from the PRO PLAYERS like I've suggested.
Phoenix Kotori 1 votes[{quoted}](name=Quinn of Yuri,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=To4J64fx,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-01-31T01:12:40.734+0000)
Nah NA is just bad lol we finished terribly at worlds for a reason. She has 60% win rate in LCK. Viktor been picked as much as her in the LCK and he has a 73% win rate.
Fiora has a 22% win rate in the LPL & 44.4% win rate in EU, but she's OP because NA can't deal with her xD.
Seriously you can't just look at one region and try to balance around it (unless maybe its korea).
