Simply because they have no influence pre-6 against most champions.
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Like seriously none of them have almost any gank potential so please don't ever play them in solo play where generally if you are fighting like a decently mobile team you are literally just going to awkwardly stand there and do nothing.
And as jungle you are supposed to be able to apply lane pressure. You can't do that is your gank potential is almost 0.
needHymn1 votes[deleted]
Jefftiffy1 votes[{quoted}](name=tv ƒ needHymn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4bEVmoEv,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-26T03:21:28.133+0000)
You think none of those can have influence pre-6....
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The point isn't that they can't. The point is that most of the time its so insignificant you might as well not had a jungler and just played like you didn't have one because they have to do some pretty miraculous work to even get to the enemy lane without them knowing they are there.
Baron Barian1 votesDon't 3 of them have an annoying slow that people bitch about?
Jefftiffy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Baron Barian,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4bEVmoEv,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-03-26T03:25:24.815+0000)
Don't 3 of them have an annoying slow that people bitch about?
Yes but that requires them to get in range. You ward properly they will awkwardly walk up sit in a bush and leave.
IMO a 30-70% slow if they have managed to walk all the way up to you and then are still able to be kited isn't all that scary. I would much rather have someone bring a stun or just raw damage and mobility to make the number of opportunities larger rather than hope for the 1/100 gank.
hi ìm groot1 votes[{quoted}](name=Baron Barian,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4bEVmoEv,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-03-26T03:25:24.815+0000)
Don't 3 of them have an annoying slow that people bitch about?
All of them have a pretty strong slow actually.
Iręlía1 votesBut... but....
Jefftiffy1 votesBut... but....
She can actually gank similar to 
. I can't tell you how many ganks I get off running up behind people with the charm and Q or running at 500+ MS at level 3-5 as WW with ghost. Even if you don't kill them usually they flash because of you have a strong follow up as well. And worst case even if you don't get any good ganks pre-6 your post-6 spike is ridiculous compared to someone like or .
The problems with the champs I mentioned is they have no real ways to get in and basically have to enter melee range to gank.
BobaFlautist1 votes - you're right.
- you're dead wrong. Their ganks aren't exceptionally powerful, though they're passable, but they have a very powerful map presence pre-6 - Olaf will just murder anybody that isn't amazing at dueling, and Nunu will counterjungle like crazy, and they both excel in 2v2s as well. They're strongest pre-six, destroy short games, and fall off very quickly.
Jefftiffy1 votes
I mean any experience player will just leave olaf to be olaf and only contest him when they out number him. Any smart player will expect nunu invades and just gang bang him and ward their own jungle. Negate their early strengths and they just kind of do nothing for the entire game.
Olaf can scale if he gets enough gold, but it honestly depends on the ADC whether or not he can carry the game in the late game and has actually gotten scary.
BobaFlautist1 votesI mean it's true that any smart player won't walk face-first into Olaf or gank with their buffs up against Nunu, but even that counts as pressure.
Any smart player won't walk up past minions against Nidalee or Zoe = you're forced to sit behind minions and can't play as aggressively.
Any smart player won't play forward when shaco or Evelynn is on the map = shaco and Eve force you to sit back and play at a disadvantage even when they aren't ganking you.
Any smart player will avoid 1v1s with Olaf = it's harder to punish Olaf for playing aggressively unless your lanes already have an advantage, if your lanes are behind or pushed in you have to let him do whatever he wants including taking your camps and pushing you out of your own jungle or risk dying to him.
Any smart player will collapse on Nunu invades = Nunu forces mid to push up and play forward (or risk being unable to collapse when he invades) and risk being ganked, and when he's on the map you can't gank until you've taken all the camps you need. He also pressures dragon and Baron unusually hard.
Even if you don't let them do their thing, they're exerting meaningful pressure
Dead flag blues1 votes jungle is pointless, but
is really strong to invade / taking objectives
is really strong early game, can invade enemy jungle easily
same as Olaf
can't really tell
Escheton1 votesIf the laner has cc, any jungler with an auto attack can do things pre-6. However, if neither the laner nor the jungler has anything to prevent the enemy laner from simply walking away, the gank is less likely to work. Barring stuff like Graves that just use death as cc.