Asking for a buff to Darius is a death sentence.

IsIsGankedParis·Oct 20, 2014·12 votes·2,015 views

People who have never experienced release Darius who don't have their own opinions on him think he's broken, people STILL think his ult is retarded, he isn't ranged cancer, and his brother is better and 100% more viable.

If you were around for release Darius then you should know he wasn't a huge problem except for the .5 second delay for his ult reset, that was bad.

Oh and Darius is one of the only champs in game who has never received a buff, only nerfs unlike his leader Swain who has only been buffed.

36 Comments

doubleguacOct 20, 20148 votes

The rationale for nerfing him was always that he was oppressive to lane against as a melee.

Meanwhile, Ryze continues to completely hard counter 90% of melees, with basically no counterplay other than begging your jungler to gank.

Honestly, I'd MUCH rather lane against a Darius with his old ult reset than current ryze. At least you can attempt to fight back against Darius, instead of just getting slowly poked to death and outscaled.

ChimeiTekinaNasuOct 20, 20141 votes

The rationale for nerfing him was always that he was oppressive to lane against as a melee.

Meanwhile, continues to completely hard counter 90% of melees, with basically no counterplay other than begging your jungler to gank.

Honestly, I'd MUCH rather lane against a Darius with his old ult reset than current ryze. At least you can attempt to fight back against Darius, instead of just getting slowly poked to death and outscaled.

I'm not sure what melees Ryze counters, but I know that Volibear and can beat him easily and without ganks Too tanky for him. Without a gank, it takes a few minutes to chop him down slowly. With a gank, he's dead in like 2 seconds. Not much for escapes. Though I'll grant you that Darius is a lot easier to kill. Ryze is just annoying is all. Although, my friend who doesn't use Renekton much, apparently lost to a Ryze as Renekton, and I don't even know how. Like what

doubleguacOct 20, 20144 votes

The rationale for nerfing him was always that he was oppressive to lane against as a melee.

Meanwhile, continues to completely hard counter 90% of melees, with basically no counterplay other than begging your jungler to gank.

Honestly, I'd MUCH rather lane against a Darius with his old ult reset than current ryze. At least you can attempt to fight back against Darius, instead of just getting slowly poked to death and outscaled.

I'm not sure what melees counters, but I know that and can beat him easily and without ganks Too tanky for him. Without a gank, it takes a few minutes to chop him down slowly. With a gank, he's dead in like 2 seconds. Not much for escapes. Though I'll grant you that Darius is a lot easier to kill. Ryze is just annoying is all. Although, my friend who doesn't use Renekton much, apparently lost to a Ryze as Renekton, and I don't even know how. Like what

A good ryze should beat the crap out of voli top. Volibear has no sustain outside of his passive, he has piss poor wave clear, he has no harass and he has poor trading. The only thing Voli is good at is all-inning people. Literally all he can do in lane is attempt to all-in his opponent over and over again. And his all-in is, frankly, quite easy to avoid, as it's incredibly predictable and heavily telegraphed. Once Ryze has his ult, he should have no problem kiting voli when he all-ins, and the bear does not have enough reliable sustain to survive long against Ryze's poke.

This is coming from someone who used to play a ton of voli top in S2/3. He has strong all-in against a few melee lane opponents, but he's incredibly predictable, and, ever since the MS nerf to his Q, he doesn't have the speed he needs to actually reach a champion like Ryze.

I'm not familiar with the renekton/ryze matchup, so I won't comment on it.

ChimeiTekinaNasuOct 20, 20141 votes

The rationale for nerfing him was always that he was oppressive to lane against as a melee.

Meanwhile, continues to completely hard counter 90% of melees, with basically no counterplay other than begging your jungler to gank.

Honestly, I'd MUCH rather lane against a Darius with his old ult reset than current ryze. At least you can attempt to fight back against Darius, instead of just getting slowly poked to death and outscaled.

I'm not sure what melees counters, but I know that and can beat him easily and without ganks Too tanky for him. Without a gank, it takes a few minutes to chop him down slowly. With a gank, he's dead in like 2 seconds. Not much for escapes. Though I'll grant you that Darius is a lot easier to kill. Ryze is just annoying is all. Although, my friend who doesn't use Renekton much, apparently lost to a Ryze as Renekton, and I don't even know how. Like what

A good ryze should beat the crap out of voli top. Volibear has no sustain outside of his passive, he has piss poor wave clear, he has no harass and he has poor trading. The only thing Voli is good at is all-inning people. Literally all he can do in lane is attempt to all-in his opponent over and over again. And his all-in is, frankly, quite easy to avoid, as it's incredibly predictable and heavily telegraphed. Once Ryze has his ult, he should have no problem kiting voli when he all-ins, and the bear does not have enough reliable sustain to survive long against Ryze's poke.

This is coming from someone who used to play a ton of voli top in S2/3. He has strong all-in against a few melee lane opponents, but he's incredibly predictable, and, ever since the MS nerf to his Q, he doesn't have the speed he needs to actually reach a champion like Ryze.

I'm not familiar with the renekton/ryze matchup, so I won't comment on it.

Volibear is also one of my mains, but I can still beat Ryze with him. I once made this Ryze main quit using Ryze for awhile. lol. Maybe our playstyles with Volibear are just different. I don't usually "all-in" with Volibear. I play passively and lure the enemy just barely in range for me to toss them into my turret and kill him. I don't usually face them in the middle of the lane. I also usually go for pokes with my bite and slow and a few autos. I can also bite while charging so I don't always need to flip him. Also, my bite does a lot more damage than normal with my rune setup so that makes his trades with his bite a lot better.

JusticePauldronsOct 20, 20142 votes

You must be absolutely insane or have incredibly good luck. No melee champion can touch Ryze. Your only solution is to wait for a gank. If the enemy Ryze is so extremely dense he runs at you instead of zones you like a smart person, then he deserves to die. But kit wise Ryze counters pretty much every melee champion in the game because with just a item 3116 he will have enough CC to kite for days, he has endless mana and a snare that will stop you even if you do manage to start closing the gap.

Also lets not forget his ultimate makes him run fast as hell on a low cooldown. Good luck catching the guy running at a 465 ms buff using some of the slowest boots possible. With enchantments that would be 485 if he was smart and got the speed enchant, also take into account he could get item 3009 and have the movement speed mastery for 1.5% increased speed. Volibear might have a speed buff but he also has to avoid colliding with minions during it and can be easily slowed, snared, or stunned after he engages it.

HayaishiOct 20, 20141 votes

You must be absolutely insane or have incredibly good luck. No melee champion can touch Ryze. Your only solution is to wait for a gank. If the enemy Ryze is so extremely dense he runs at you instead of zones you like a smart person, then he deserves to die. But kit wise Ryze counters pretty much every melee champion in the game because with just a he will have enough CC to kite for days, he has endless mana and a snare that will stop you even if you do manage to start closing the gap.

Also lets not forget his ultimate makes him run fast as hell on a low cooldown. Good luck catching the guy running at a 465 ms buff using some of the slowest boots possible. With enchantments that would be 485 if he was smart and got the speed enchant, also take into account he could get and have the movement speed mastery for 1.5% increased speed. might have a speed buff but he also has to avoid colliding with minions during it and can be easily slowed, snared, or stunned after he engages it.

Irelia can touch him.

MartinLaEpicOct 23, 20141 votes

I guess you have never seen renekton against ryze. ewq+some aa+e combo will take a good 1/2 or atleast 1/3 of ryze health AND will get renekton away from ryze with no harm.

LuckyRedenOct 20, 20141 votes

Rumble and Mundo have some chance against Ryze, but other than that it is pretty grim against him.

ZulgainesOct 20, 20147 votes

No, if you were around for the release Darius you know.

If he got fed he would typically walk all over the rest of your team, or enough of them that it didn't matter what you did.
Someone almost always fed him outside of the higher ELO's
It wasn't fun for him to be on your team either, all the kills were his kills.

Ragnar42Oct 20, 20143 votes

No, if you were around for the release Darius you know.

If he got fed he would typically walk all over the rest of your team, or enough of them that it didn't matter what you did.

Someone almost always fed him outside of the higher ELO's

It wasn't fun for him to be on your team either, all the kills were his kills.

Worst yet, A Darius that went 30/5/15 would begin to starve his own team of gold because he would be glutted with items, but the rest of his team couldn't catch a kill. You'd have these absurd situations where your team would have 45 kills to their 20, and still lose because Darius was too fed but couldn't carry hard enough. It was weird.

Honestly, I'm pissed Rito brought out a new skin for him, because he's going to see a revival in play,

SecretAgentHulkOct 20, 20141 votes

Teemo I am prepare.

Ragnar42Oct 20, 20143 votes

I am prepare.

Darius Hook has more range that Teemo's AA. You are not prepare. You q, he hooks and spams abilities, and wins the AA trade both pre, and post 6.

SecretAgentHulkOct 20, 20144 votes

Good Darius players know this, and I fear them. Players who want to show off their skin might not, and I will show them pain.

ExxemOct 20, 20142 votes

I like your enthusiasm. Best of luck to you.

Squeaky DreemurrOct 20, 20145 votes

His damage is absolutely nuts ATM when used appropriately. A buff to Darius would be a nerf to life as we know it.

Tit MasterOct 20, 20143 votes

His damage is absolutely nuts ATM when used appropriately. A buff to Darius would be a nerf to life as we know it.

or a buff could make him tough voidborn chow Chogath

GoomsayerOct 20, 20145 votes

As one of my top mains I can say that Darius , like every other champion, has good and bad match ups. Typically anyone he faces he can beat in lane, but that is the case for every champ. The argument "does damage and tanky with one damage item" is invalid because that's just how riot wants tanks to work (unless you're Rammus or the like, then you get damage from tankiness). Darius can rarely single handedly carry the game. In a game where mobility is rewarded more than anything else, Darius is pretty team reliant for success past 15 minutes.

JavvekOct 20, 20144 votes

Early darius was nothing but a pubstomp champion. He rocked almost everyone toplane and then cut through a team like butter. Especially if his team was watching his back. Please no buffs to darius. Not yet >.>

Tit MasterOct 20, 20144 votes

god you are a whiny baby, Release Darius was countered hard by Cho'Gath, and he still is

IsIsGankedParisOct 20, 20143 votes

Also he is the ONLY bruiser with no tankiness or sustain in his kit, having 2 more base armor does not count.

MarthianOct 20, 20144 votes

But at the same time, he can build a single damage item and the rest tanky, and be a juggernaut.

Champion SkinOct 20, 20141 votes

Well that is most bruisers/fighters isn't it? Though some needs no damage items and still do damage hello there Nasus/mundo And most make do with 1 maybe 2 damage items, like Renekton and Shyvana

CaeziumOct 20, 20141 votes

Without a defense steroid he actually isn't that tanky. It's just he has relatively strong burst and continuous damage with almost no damage items. So he seems to be tankier than he actually is. He can get bursted down pretty fast even when built tank if your team has penetration(Last Whisper/Void Staff), or BOTRK on your carries.

Defense items alone don't make a tank, defense steroids do. Jax and Shyvana would be a better representation of actually relatively tanky top laners that deal a lot of damage. His teamfight is as good as his opponents lack of ability to kite honestly. 90% of the time he pretty much will only be able to ult his opponent's front line.

Also try buying a giants belt if you're a fighter vs. him in laning phase. He doesn't really have an answer to the opponent buying HP in his kit. It sounds stupid but try it. It should be fine to transition it into like a Randiuns later. (As in leave it at Giants belt and complete some other items, then upgrade it. Rushing Randiuns vs. him isn't that great)

SwiftKitten88Oct 20, 20143 votes

darius needs a nerf if anything... at lvl 6 he totally outscales pretty much any lane opponent if played properly.

JustMyBassCannonOct 20, 20141 votes

Which is why Renekton is still the top-lane king for the laning phase--wait, no, that doesn't help your point...

Darius has been nerfed to the point where I almost don't see him in 5s, just rarely in 3s.

Crimson5pheonixOct 20, 20143 votes

I still have nightmares about the Darius nerf threads in the old forum 9_9

A toplane melee bruiser that brings nothing but damage is apparently hard to deal with...

PatMcGroynOct 20, 20142 votes

Darius is in a good place. He wins most bruiser matchups, but takes a lot of skill to be useful in mid - late game. I've found that you can play him a few ways- take flash + ignite and crush lane, but be less useful in late game. You can go Flash + TP, and have split push pressure. Or you can take flash + ghost, have slightly less kill pressure in lane, and have amazing teamfighting. I personally prefer Flash + Ghost, as it eliminates his mobility problems.

thebloody7Oct 20, 20142 votes

I can't believe they didn't bring AT LEAST a full reset at lvl 16...

CaeziumOct 20, 20141 votes

Or a full reset if you kill them with a 5 stack ult would be also okay. Especially if your ult consumes the stacks, so he becomes more "skill based" like Riot wants.

Your option is fine.

DemacryOct 20, 20142 votes

Considering I was bronze/low silver and playing Shyvana in about 80% of my games when Darius was released I thought he was plenty OP at the time. Even nowadays my low mmr friends consider him the derp-easy-mode champ for winning skirmishes.

Personally I think Darius' ult should be a mix of Hecarim and Sivir ults. It would make way more sense with his overall identity as a playable character and really cement his pick as your team's tank front-line, leading the charge (not to mention how much better it would match his lore).

Currently, Guillotine only works as a dueling threat or encourages players to use it as an execute. This just ruins him for competitive play (should not be feeding your tank the kills in 90% of situations and getting the most out of his ult takes multiple abilities/autos to set up).

IMO the original true damage ult, Chogath makes much more sense. When used as an execute it makes him better at his main role, tanky frontline. When you've capped this bonus it still has a place in the late-game by helping chunk down the enemy tank or a help soften up a target to burst them down.

With Darius' current ult, if you don't use it as an execute you're using it wrong, wasting tons of potential damage, and heavily conflicts with his primary role in the game, tanky sustained-damage frontline who pulls agro by being an AoE burn threat.

Just like Shyvana and DrMundo .

Sadly if they ever do anything resembling a rework on him, his ult is probably the thing that won't get more than a few number changes just because of the popularity of his "dunk persona".

Champion SkinOct 20, 20141 votes

Well Darius ult reset on kill was a bit bad though as if you fought and used your ult and he won and killed you... he now still has his ult.. you don't...

Though yeah Darius isn't all that great now he seems a bit like renekton without sustain and mobility though I am not quite sure how their damage stacks up.. I would think that Darius probably wins since his ult deals quite a bit of damage oh and darius also has an attack speed slow which helps against auto attack reliant champions

Though renekton obviously has the advantage of not needing mana

ChimeiTekinaNasuOct 20, 20141 votes

Well Darius ult reset on kill was a bit bad though as if you fought and used your ult and he won and killed you... he now still has his ult.. you don't...

Though yeah Darius isn't all that great now he seems a bit like renekton without sustain and mobility though I am not quite sure how their damage stacks up.. I would think that Darius probably wins since his ult deals quite a bit of damage oh and darius also has an attack speed slow which helps against auto attack reliant champions

Though renekton obviously has the advantage of not needing mana

What???? Renekton is not an attack speed reliant champion at all. He's more of an AD Caster tank. Also. Renekton>Darius. I've faced many Darius's as Renekton. Renekton was one of my top 3 Top lane champions. Never lost to a Darius. Darius has what, a slow?? Renekton has a stun and, what do you know, it works even better than a slow. I don't think Darius is a good champion, really. Can't say I ever lost to a Darius, unless you just want to shrug it off and say that every single one were just bad at using Darius.

AspynnOct 20, 20141 votes

"Asking for a buff to Darius is a death sentence." So is asking for a buff to thresh Thresh ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;D Anyone?

JusticePauldronsOct 20, 20141 votes

He still does EVERY type of damage in the game, which means you can't build against him. Your only option for negating his damage is building health, meanwhile all he has to do is build nothing but tank items. Also attempting to compare a top lane bruiser to an adc like Draven means absolutely nothing. Against another bruiser, Darius IS oppressive, his bleed passive allows him easy mana management, he gets free 25% armor penetration, which means building armor isn't effective against him at all, then combine that with the fact a large amount of his damage is magic, and another large amount is true damage and you have a recipe for disaster. He is oppressive, but like any other melee champion there are matchups he is terrible against, namely anyone with good range harass like Ryze or Teemo . That really doesn't say much however, because those are people who counter any melee champion in general. Darius can stomp all over top lane for the same reason Nasus can, he can build endless amount of tankiness and still do ridiculous damage and have great crowd control.

JayStarOct 20, 20141 votes

The only buff I could see is a range buff on his q or something

MartinLaEpicOct 23, 20141 votes

People who have never experienced release Darius who don't have their own opinions on him think he's broken, people STILL think his ult is retarded, he isn't ranged cancer, and his brother is better and 100% more viable.

If you were around for release Darius then you should know he wasn't a huge problem except for the .5 second delay for his ult reset, that was bad.

Oh and Darius is one of the only champs in game who has never received a buff, only nerfs unlike his leader Swain who has only been buffed.

Your logic is heavily flawed The fact that darius has never recieved buffs means absolute zero. He ult is used to clean up in team fights or to secure kills. Hes the guys left in that 1v5 where he gets a pentakill from his ult Hes meant to be a early game lane bully