Is it really too much to expect the balance team to do their job and actually balance the game, instead of slapping on more damage and patting themselves on the back for a job well done?
I mean, look at the patch notes: We're following up on the Doctor's 9.5 buffs. More damage!
This is pretty sad. It's like they're making fun of themselves at this point.
KFCeytron37 votesThe game's been a joke for quite a while now. Remember "Whose Lane Is It Anyway?"
Velzard of Koz5 votesI'm more concerned about "Is it Meta?". Forcing meta cycles and tight options because they're lazy to go wide, which is acceptable, but then PR pretending like you can do any crazy shit.
Colte35 voteslets give more damage to more champions can one shot others
sooner or late all the tank champions are going to get one shot AND have the ability to one shot themselves
[slayer-jinx-wink]
crazÿ9 voteschampions are dealing true damage and damage of maximum health you can counter all tanks when you got item or play as a team but you cant counter champions like 
when they dealing true damage and they can become immune from everything. if they can remove true damage from the game and nerf tanks damage that's what balanced mean both of us have a chance to win by game play not champion
3TWarrior3 voteskayle's ult actually prevents her from autoing now (not sure if it works that way when used on another target though)
it also does not render her immune to crowd control, though it would reduce the "total" damage she takes by negating that instance of damage
Z3Sleeper1 votesShe can't auto for 1.5 seconds. Her ultimate's duration however scales to 2/2.5/3 seconds.
That means at ranks 1/2/3 you can freely attack for 0.5/1/1.5 seconds. This contributes to why Kayle is nutty at level 16. She gets 1.5 seconds to freely apply her damage if she doesn't get CC'd.
At level 6 she can only at best get a single auto off if her skills are on cooldown though.
MysticShaker2 voteschampions are dealing true damage and damage of maximum health you can counter all tanks when you got item or play as a team but you cant counter champions like
Your words...should be tattoed on Rito balance team so whenever they sit on their overpaid asses they will know what to do
Vargrjalmer1 voteslets give more damage to more champions can one shot others
sooner or late all the tank champions are going to get one shot AND have the ability to one shot themselves
[slayer-jinx-wink]
I now wish for the ability to one shot myself. as chogath. IF CHO GATHS FEASTS HISSELF, DO HE GETS BIGGEH OH SMALLEH
D357R0Y3R31 votesNothing
he's still shit
playing mundo when vayne is meta OMEGALUL
3TWarrior2 voteshe does a better job than other durable champions with high poke damage, high regen and some AOE damage
that said though, vayne's in her own class of no counterplay atm and I can only wonder how many others will join her
current champions where CC is their only weakness and crowd control/tanks have been periodically weakened: 
master yi can deal hundreds of true damage per second with a rageblade as his only item...it's nuts
D357R0Y3R8 votesNo he does not his poke is good and that's the only thing this champion can offer
there is NO REASONS to pick Mundo over urgot and hecarim, let alone that champions like 
crushes him
his win rate didn't move by a single inch in high elo, mundo is garbage and he's completely irrelevant until at least 2 items, good luck playing him against hecarim
Daddy Ants3 votesplaying mundo when vayne is meta OMEGALUL
That's like playing Vayne when Caitlyn, Tristana, Twitch are meta.
FSRER1 votesOh so, when i have Max 1400 health and im full health, it is shit a 3 second cooldown skillshot doing 300 damage per hit? Yeah, very shit
D357R0Y3R7 votesit's not per hit, it's 30% current hp brother not max hp
and by the way last time I checked it's not point and click
also it's 4 sec cd
KFCeytron1 votesit's not per hit, it's 30% current hp brother not max hp
and by the way last time I checked it's not point and click
also it's 4 sec cd
There's a minimum value (280 at rank 5).
Why are you correcting him with "last time I checked it's not point and click" when he specifically said "skillshot"? Besides, it's very difficult to avoid with its high projectile speed, and if you get hit by one, say goodbye to dodging any more without a dash/blink.
It's a 4-second base CD, before any CDR at all. 3 seconds is the CD at 25% CDR, a reasonable value.
D357R0Y3R2 votesThere's a minimum value (280 at rank 5).
Indeed
Why are you correcting him with "last time I checked it's not point and click" when he specifically said "skillshot"?
I didn't see him saying that my bad, my point was that you can simply dodge mundo Q
Besides, it's very difficult to avoid with its high projectile speed,
No it isn't, ever since they reduced mundo Q width from 120 to 80 it became very easy to dodge it unless the mundo is good and predicts where you run
It's a 4-second base CD, before any CDR at all. 3 seconds is the CD at 25% CDR, a reasonable value.
HE DID NOT say that mundo had CDR
KFCeytron2 votesIndeed
I didn't see him saying that my bad, my point was that you can simply dodge mundo Q
No it isn't, ever since they reduced mundo Q width from 120 to 80 it became very easy to dodge it unless the mundo is good and predicts where you run
HE DID NOT say that mundo had CDR
His Q is still really hard to dodge, and getting hit by even one pretty much guarantees the rest. It's basically old Nunu snowballs, except he doesn't have to build any AP for them to hurt. And they don't cost mana.
Why would Mundo not have CDR? He rushes Warmog's and Visage as core items, and that's 20% for 3.2s already.
Mundo is cancer and does not deserve to be remotely viable in any meta until a complete rework.
D357R0Y3R2 votesHis Q is still really hard to dodge
No it isn't, if you say that then question your own skill
and getting hit by even one pretty much guarantees the rest.
No it doesn't, he's still immobile and gets popped in 2 seconds in this burst meta unless enemy team went full AP, he gets hard shit on by a 800 gold item
It's basically old Nunu snowballs, except he doesn't have to build any AP for them to hurt. And they don't cost >mana.
Except his Q dealing 280 magic damage is only good in mid game, imagine picking mundo when hecarim Q deals twice more damage on squishies while having non-existent cooldown it's also a skillshot unlike old nunu E and it doesn't slow attack speed
good try tho
Why would Mundo not have CDR? He rushes Warmog's and Visage as core items, and that's 20% for 3.2s already.
Idc, when you talk about balance you always talk about base cooldown, I legit never saw any discussion talking about cdr, mundo Q is on 4 sec cooldown, and CDR doesn't change anything to his state, why THE HECK would it? Mundo won't become god tier because his Q is on 3 sec cd instead of 4.
Mundo is cancer and does not deserve to be remotely viable in any meta until a complete rework.
I don't give the slighest **
This discussion isn't about mundo being cancer or not, or deserving to be viable this discussion is on how this champion is fucking horrible rofl, complete garbage with 47% win rate
the buff didn't change anything, but quick jump in the bandwagon!
KFCeytron2 votesNo it isn't, if you say that then question your own skill
Rude and wrong.
No it doesn't, he's still immobile and gets popped in 2 seconds in this burst meta unless enemy team went full AP, he gets hard shit on by a 800 gold item
Wrong.
Except his Q dealing 280 magic damage is only good in mid game, imagine picking mundo when hecarim Q deals twice more damage on squishies while having non-existent cooldown it's also a skillshot unlike old nunu E and it doesn't slow attack speed
good try tho
Rude and wrong.
Idc, when you talk about balance you always talk about base cooldown, I legit never saw any discussion talking about cdr, mundo Q is on 4 sec cooldown, and CDR doesn't change anything to his state, why THE HECK would it? Mundo won't become god tier because his Q is on 3 sec cd instead of 4.
Wrong, and a little rude.
I don't give the slighest **
This discussion isn't about mundo being cancer or not, or deserving to be viable this discussion is on how this champion is fucking horrible rofl, complete garbage with 47% win rate
the buff didn't change anything, but quick jump in the bandwagon!
Very rude, and very wrong.
I'm done talking to someone like you. Goodbye. 👋
Daddy Ants1 votesOh so, when i have Max 1400 health and im full health, it is shit a 3 second cooldown skillshot doing 300 damage per hit? Yeah, very shit
More than 300.
1400 x 0.30 = 420 before MR.
Rank 5 Q from Mundo does 30% current hp damage. So at 100% hp it's 420.
Craft Zeppelin2 votesNothing
he's still shit
playing mundo when vayne is meta OMEGALUL
It's like using tofu to stop a construction drill.
Frosted Tips16 votesHe needs a rework and Riot just gives him buffs. It is idiotic.
3TWarrior13 votesthe same company tried to add a 100% bonus AD ratio to yasuo's ultimate at the same time they were buffing lucian
Lovelle10 votesI really don't understand how people keep defending Riot's decisions. Look at the last buff they gave to Trundle, it's like they're just completely out of touch with their own roster, like there's no thought that goes into what they're doing.
They nerfed the hell out of Pillar, his bread n' butter skill for teamfighting, skirmishing, nearly everything (it's near useless at early ranks, and by the time it becomes useful most games are already decided). Then they nerfed his base damage and changed his scaling on Chomp so it's weaker early and scales a bit better IF he builds a decent amount of damage. The problem with this is that he scales primarily with health and CDR, and damage-wise scales about as well as most support tank champions. In addition, if he wants to actually not be dead weight he maxes W last, which makes the latest buff pretty much pointless.
Nobody picks Trundle for his damage, so no matter how much they buff his damage he's never going to be picked over champions that have real damage scaling, as well as more consistent ways of dealing damage. I mean damn, I'm no expert on balancing, but logic would denote that if hitting his Pillar with nerfs is what made him disappear, maybe that's what should be changed. Maybe the nerfs were too harsh. But no, it's like they completely lack any semblance of common sense when they make changes.
It just gets so tiring. I really wish they would hire some people that would view this game's balance in a more objective and fair way.
3TWarrior1 votesdon't forget that trundle is pretty much a bruiser/juggernaut, so his main value is his ability to deal lots of damage and be durable
when his skills become weak, he's basically just a nuisance that can wield 
Lovelle1 votesdon't forget that trundle is pretty much a bruiser/juggernaut, so his main value is his ability to deal lots of damage and be durable
when his skills become weak, he's basically just a nuisance that can wield
His main value is in his objective control and self-sufficiency, along with his unique utility. When his skills become weak, he simply doesn't get picked, much less building an expensive item like Trinity Force. In my arrogant opinion he doesn't scale well enough as a damage source to justify a lofty purchase like that, especially one with no real defensive stats. The CDR is the most attractive thing about the item, but there are better choices for that.
For example 
is literally amazing if you need health, sustain, CDR and want to actually catch targets. I wouldn't be surprised if Riot nerfs it at some point. This is probably one of the best items in the game right now for champions that scale with health and have limited tools for sticking to targets.
If you want attack speed/on hit 
is exponentially better than Trinity on him. However, because Vayne is abusing it it's getting a price increase of 100g, fantastic. I mean, they could just nerf Vayne but god forbid she doesn't get picked every other game. Neeko occasionally builds this as well, but clearly her invalidating melees in lane isn't the problem, it's the item.
3TWarrior1 voteswhy not 
? it offers around the same level of bulk, a permanent movespeed buff and even extra damage on top of a slow when used by melee?
Lovelle1 voteswhy not
Righteous Glory is much easier to build. It's cheaper, has health regen, some armor, mana, and CDR attached to it. For only 2650 Gold that is a deal. The active is also incredibly strong. I can't think of a single health-scaling champion that doesn't also want more CDR in their build. The item basically improves everything they do, while also providing sustain and a powerful active. It's just a great item.
3TWarrior1 votesI haven't played trundle in a long time, so I guess I can't comment
Lolalytics seems to place it as one of his later items to build though
Lovelle1 votesI haven't played trundle in a long time, so I guess I can't comment
Lolalytics seems to place it as one of his later items to build though
Imo it's a great pickup after Cinderhulk or anytime while supporting. Not really sure in lane, but I guess he could pick it up after Tiamat or Sunfire. I don't think he's worth solo-laning right now.
I love cowboys9 votesHow would you buff him, make his Q stun or something?
Critmaster Garen8 voteshe shot up to a fantastic 47% winrate overnight. kek.
Moody P3 votesa juggernaut dared to get buffed so boards has rallied together
Critmaster Garen2 votes[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4TqurmzB,comment-id=000c0000,timestamp=2019-04-04T16:18:53.435+0000)
a juggernaut dared to get buffed so boards has rallied together
im surprised the silver squad didnt jump on the garen buffs yet. ive only seen like one or two complaint threads so far.
IAmTheLego8 votesDid they seriously add that in the patch notes???
In an already existing problem of too much damage?????
GayFluffyUnicorn2 votesOfc they did. Told you riot is doing a parody of themselves.
Jennifer4205 votesthats what happens when you have a team that has no big boss above them. they do whatever they want. season 5 was the last good season. after that it went to shit.
and well riot never knew how to balance tanks or assassins.
a tank is supposed to be a solid brick wall. but in riots mind a tank is supposed to be a vehicle that fires explosives that noone can stop and that blows everything to pieces.
Tychusfindlay9182 votesthats what happens when you have a team that has no big boss above them. they do whatever they want. season 5 was the last good season. after that it went to shit.
and well riot never knew how to balance tanks or assassins.
a tank is supposed to be a solid brick wall. but in riots mind a tank is supposed to be a vehicle that fires explosives that noone can stop and that blows everything to pieces.
Tanks got fucking ruined when riot inserted so much %hp into tank kits to stop "the boring wet noodle tank v tank fights"
Like, there was a fucking VERY good reason for why tanks fighting tanks should result in no one dying. But nope, EVERYTHING has to have LC$ playz capabilities.
Shmeeve3 votesIt's mundo, he does what he wants for the infinity toes.
Vargrjalmer2 votespretty redonkulous if im being honest, I played mundo top last season, if he lands a single q on you, you're getting q'd until you reach tower, that means you die, but you can't damage him to get away because if he takes a couple hits his e gives him 2 bf swords now.
Vargrjalmer1 votespretty redonkulous if im being honest, I played mundo top last season, if he lands a single q on you, you're getting q'd until you reach tower, that means you die, but you can't damage him to get away because if he takes a couple hits his e gives him 2 bf swords now.
let me reiterate, i mean his q slow duration lasts as long as the q cd with a little bit of cdr
OneMustFall1 votesI've noticed some real laziness on Riot explaining what they are doing in regards to balance so far this season. Patch notes are one sentence "Yeah we're buffing this guy." and the context is usually very lacking. There also seems to be less involvement on the boards as well whereas they used to explain what they were doing in the past.
I don't know if Riot has just said "Fuck it, we're making money, we don't need to explain ourselves" at this point but they feel more disconnected from their community than I've seen in the last five years.
Abibyama II1 votesMy favorite was the ultimate hunter one
"It was bad"
Though I think they are trying to be more direct.
15421 votesduno what ya talking bout i just destroyed a plat 2 mundo yesterday with my yi top didnt even need lvl 6.
Raiyza4 votesI would say good job, but I would also say that player doesn't know how to play Mundo.
SpecterVonBaren2 votesMundo literally has nothing he can do against Yi.
SpecterVonBaren2 votesYou think Yi gives a shit about that?
3TWarrior1 votestechnically mundo should never let yi get close to him and just use his Q for farm
fighting a yi head-on is something only a few champions can do now, if even that thanks to rageblade
it's less of mundo can't fight yi and more of "everyone can't fight yi"
R+auto+E+hydra proc.