I still don't understand all the salt toward Zoe.

Taliyah Rocks··2 votes·490 views

I'm legit curious. It's been two months and i still see people complain about her and ban her, and i just don't get it. I've played her a few times and played against her a few times.

She's awefully easy to lane against. Her E has a relatively short range compared to other linear skillshot CC (like Xerath's E and Lux's Q). Her Q poke is very predictable and easily avoidable.

So what's all the fuss about?

People talk about her one-shot combo, but she can't one-shot for shizzle unless she's fed (how is she supposed to get fed when she can't kill you in the first place) or it's late in the game and she has a few items.

Is her combo strong enough to one-shot you? The i ask again, how? There are so many ways to counter her.

You're a mage? item 3157item 3102

You're an AD champ? item 3156item 3139

You're a tank? You shouldn't have trouble surviving in the first place.

She can only realistically hit you with a bubble from accross a wall while you are roaming or later in the game with an extended E. But this isn't even a new concept in LoL, many champions can surprise you from accross a wall already, like ZacFiddlesticks not counting all others that can CC you from range.

So why are people still complaining about her even though her E is easily counterable??

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LocatedEagle2321 votes

I was playing Aatrox and tried to gank Zoe 2 games ago.

Walked into lane.

Q'd on her, knocked her up, slowed her, smited, and then hit her 3 times.

She lost about 400 health.... and then she put me to sleep.

She was level 5, but she walked backwards, Q'd and then autoattacked/ignited.

I went from full health (minus around 50 from minions) to 20 health and ignite killed me immediately.

She was not fed and ONLY had that one... that spellbook component for morellos... item 3802 This one. and a dorans ring of course.

P.S. Next time I fought her I had that item 1033 and she had item 3108 ... But it was still sleep, q and this time she didn't need ignite. I was deleted.

Taliyah Rocks1 votes

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I was playing Aatrox and tried to gank Zoe 2 games ago.

Walked into lane.

Q'd on her, knocked her up, slowed her, smited, and then hit her 3 times.

She lost about 400 health.... and then she put me to sleep.

She was level 5, but she walked backwards, Q'd and then autoattacked/ignited.

I went from full health (minus around 50 from minions) to 20 health and ignite killed me immediately.

She was not fed and ONLY had that one... that spellbook component for morellos... item 3802 This one. and a dorans ring of course.

P.S. Next time I fought her I had that item 1033 and she had item 3108 ... But it was still sleep, q and this time she didn't need ignite. I was deleted.

Where the hell was your laner? I don't doubt that a midlaner can kill a squishy jungler, but she shouldn't have gone unpunished unless your laner was sleeping while you ganked.

FOR JUSTICE1 votes

because her q just LOOKS badass. because it takes a good 3/4 of your life at a high range, people just call it a "oneshot" and call it broken, without considering how to actually dodge it.

Taliyah Rocks1 votes

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because her q just LOOKS badass. because it takes a good 3/4 of your life at a high range, people just call it a "oneshot" and call it broken, without considering how to actually dodge it.

I keep seeing people that complain about aspects of her kit that already existed prior to her kit.

A mage that can one-shot you when fed? Check!

Can CC you from across the wall? Check!

Persistent CC field? Check!

Skillshot that can be fired from weird angles? Check!

The only real new thing that Zoe brings is her W that allows her to cast summoners or item actives.

Zoe has plenty of counterplays and really only shines when all stars align. I find it much more legitimate when people actually complain about uncounterable stuff cough triple point-and-click 700range dash cough not to name anyone Akali

Just to give a cue, people always get downvoted when they complain about Blitz's hook

Vapor Wave Vibes1 votes

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because her q just LOOKS badass. because it takes a good 3/4 of your life at a high range, people just call it a "oneshot" and call it broken, without considering how to actually dodge it.

Yeah dodging 1 is easy but keep in mind of her mana cost and spammibility. Eventually she's gonna hit you.

Vapor Wave Vibes1 votes

The big problem with Zoe is the huge amount of damage she does without needing her first full item at that stage of the game. Then the huge damage never goes down later in the game. Really I compare Zoe to Xerath. His e+q won't kill you from full but Zoe's will.

Xion The XIV1 votes

It's mainly because if she can get a sleep on you. You are losing a majority of your health. Once she gets a few items she will one hit or close to it a squishy.

Mister Modesty1 votes

I think what makes her unbalanced is her Portal.

Crowd Control effects should stop her from popping back through her portal. The problem here is simple: When she portals, you know she's pulling that skillshot with her. You can either avoid it, or try to be aggressive. However, if you stun her she just pops back in her original spot. All she has to do is let the opponent push to tower, and keep them from snowballing with her Sleep ability until she hits 6- and then just snipe with portals and appear back at her tower safely.

My recommendation is that if Zoe pops through Portal and is hit with a stun, Snare, Silence, etc. then she shouldn't reappear in her original location.

Into The Aether1 votes

Her Q deal is kinda like Nidalee's old Q that was changed for being problematic.

Very high AP ratio with very high range when combined with her R.

Then her E also flies way over walls at increased range, and offers a good deal of CC and Damage.

So she kinda has 2 methods that make her like old Nidalee, allowing for multiple ways to singlehandedly decide a siege by tapping an important target with some surprisingly available cooldowns.

That's even without counting that she's a combo mage that goes for 100-0's when ahead. And may randomly get free stuff like a teleport back to lane off of W. Nid's old form mostly had the poke mage aspect. Zoe does kinda feel like she has too many strengths.

Onandaga1 votes

Some reason people hate Fizz and Vayne. She can nuke you out of nowhere for a shit ton of health and then say, "nope, can't touch this" when you try to retaliate. You then either let her get away or chase her only to get nuked again and die.

TreeDayBan1 votes

If her team ever gets ahead and can seige turrets its like ARAM on steriods, since she can shoot crap from all angles. Everytime I have a game where I think oh Zoe isnt that bad, I get into a game where Zoe's team gets a small lead and can start seiging turrets, and you just get run over from the bubble/paddlestar spam from Fog of War. And then I realize why she needs banned every game. Just not fun at that point. Just like Old nid throwing spears from Fog of War and if it lands, you are dead or lose the objective.

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