Heimerdinger should have his turrets reworked to a similar health system as malzahar or zyra

deadlychuck·1/1/2019, 11:21:08 AM·3 votes·2,147 views

Because those systems have proven to make champions so much healthier and fair. It simply doesn't make sense to not put it on champion's minions that can survive more than a slap with a wet tissue. Now I understand not giving it to his ult, because it's his ultimate and it should feel good to use.

All i'm saying is I don't see why heimerdinger's turrets, or any champion's minions, should feel good to use.

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Jamaree1/1/2019, 11:34:13 AM1 votes

So make him not viable?

TheSingularity1/1/2019, 12:24:53 PM1 votes

All i'm saying is I don't see why heimerdinger's turrets, or any champion's minions, should feel good to use.

They should when their entire kit revolves around utilizing them. Malz/zyra have generally been spells first minions second. Heim, they're equal first. He can't use 1 effectively without the other. Being able to one spell them, will make him completely unviable

ecause those systems have proven to make champions so much healthier and fair.

He is relatively healthy, and definitely is fair. I've played both sides of the match up countless times, especially pre RW when he was more popular but also more unhealthy as his towers were stronger at the time.

Many champions can already smash his towers to bits because they're so fragile early. Ahri Akali Annie Anivia Azir AurelionSol Brand Galio Gragas Karthus Neeko Lux Malzahar Ryze Swain Syndra Taliyah Velkoz Veigar That's a significant portion of the mid lane roster. I personally like picking anivia because heim can literally do nothing to me.

So explain why he shouldn't in more detail.

  1. Heim's turrets are not merely accessories like zyra/malz minions. They're just as important as his spells. His turret laser is a huge chunk of his burst (due to the dmg reduction on W) and he relies on his spells to proc them, and the turrets to be there for when he does. He lacks a spam spell or cheap and safe wave clear. His turrets fulfill this purpose. Most mages have an AOE spell that will hit an entire wave (lux E, Aol Q, annie W, velkoz W+E, akali Q, syndra Q, malz DOT, ect ect ect). Using his E leaves him open, W can't go through minions and enemies take reduced dmg from extra missiles.

If you disagree. Go play 5-10 games of heim. Don't place any turrets incl ult+Q. And see how you fair. Then do the same with malz/zyra. Their minions are almost irrelevant to their success given how fast they pop, in exchange zyra gets higher DPS potential with R.

  1. He is relatively healthy and definitely fair The unhealthy aspect generally comes in vs melee opponents against which he is oppressive until they buy adaptive helmet. After which they generally have the advantage.

He's fair as his W is a blockable skillshot and he has 1 CC spell which is generally difficult to hit due to it's missile speed and low range (unless R+E). Against any of the champs mentioned, he's a free gank lane. He's really a glorified ult bot late game as his turrets melt at that stage and take too long to place. I love silly heimers who permashove. One naut hook or hec E gets him away from his turrets. Then he's helpless.

When reading the tone comes a bit aggressive. Not my intention just providing my view