Kennen ADC in LCS

Zuil··90 votes·8,138 views

guess who's not playing ranked for a few hours.

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KONO RUBICK DA11 votes

it existes since 2012

CoolKnightST9 votes

I'm really worried on the Kennen right now. This game didn't really reflect his strength because how snowbally this game was. However Kennen is played as an midlane, as a support, as a toplaner and now their is a strategy available for adc. Now comes the question, if Kennen is able to play in 4 roles that effectively isn't it time to discuss nerfs for him. I have seen a lot of Kennen both on streams & in my own games. Kennen is really a big factor for winning a certain game.

It was fun while it last but I fear for some nerfs for one of the next patches.

Chuck Charles32 votes

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I'm really worried on the Kennen right now. This game didn't really reflect his strength because how snowbally this game was. However Kennen is played as an midlane, as a support, as a toplaner and now their is a strategy available for adc. Now comes the question, if Kennen is able to play in 4 roles that effectively isn't it time to discuss nerfs for him. I have seen a lot of Kennen both on streams & in my own games. Kennen is really a big factor for winning a certain game.

It was fun while it last but I fear for some nerfs for one of the next patches.

a champion being versatile, but not overpowered in any singular role is the definition of perfect champion design and balance. kennen is sort of a shining example of a good champion design in that sense. he is good top, but not op. he is good mid, but not op. same with support and now you can see he is a niche pick as an adc.

granted, he will never ever work in solo queue outside of very high elo as his dmg out put will fall off significant as an adc come late game, but I love seeing that riot designed a champion this versatile.

not looking forward to seeing adc kennens in my solo queue ranked games who feed ,but hey. can't fault riot for our stupidity.

Ariel the Cruel6 votes

ADC Kennen used to be a common thing .... back in S2 I think.

Also, the old champions weren't designed with roles or build paths in mind. Which is why they tend to rotate roles and builds more often. Where as more modern champions often have laser focus on being played a specific way or specific place. That's not to say the intent always succeeds (Tank Ekko).

RyzeRework1 votes

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ADC Kennen used to be a common thing .... back in S2 I think.

Also, the old champions weren't designed with roles or build paths in mind. Which is why they tend to rotate roles and builds more often. Where as more modern champions often have laser focus on being played a specific way or specific place. That's not to say the intent always succeeds (Tank Ekko).

Well that was s2 if a pro player goes adc tahm kench and wins people will try it

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

If a Pro player goes AP Riven and loses, people will still try it. That wasn't the point. (>_>)

junglerboy161 votes

S3 ADC Kennen was the cream of the crop when it came to bot lane picks at worlds.

blueberrypancake2 votes

ADC Kennen's Damage falls off late

I think you forgot about him have the 2nd high base ad and as at level 18 (for ranged)

and besides if you get one stun your fucked and you can always peel for yourself

Xeynid2 votes

The fact that he has high base AD doesn't change the fact that he has no steroids to increase his damage output or no large amounts of AD scaling on his abilities to make up for a lack of steroids.

LeeDark1 votes

Actually, his W passive has an AD and AS scaling autoattack steroid.

Madra1 votes

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Actually, his W passive has an AD and AS scaling autoattack steroid.

You have to remember that it converts that AD scaling into Magic damage, which may or may not be more beneficial, but not likely something than an ADC Kennen will itemize for.

LeeDark2 votes

Plenty of ADC's operate on having mixed damage types. His W passive still only scales with AD and AS; furthermore, ADC Kennen likely already wants either Magic penetration or hybrid penetration runes, much like Corki.

Wizardavar1 votes

Kalista

mk DILLY1 votes

He does 80% of his AD extra damage every other auto as long as you're hitting 3 targets with hurricane. That's a pretty good steroid.

Xeynid1 votes

That's a pretty decent steroid, that requires you buy what is normally considered to be a pretty bad item to activate it.

Even then, that's about a 40% AD/auto increase. Tristana has a ~75% AD/auto increase. In short time spans, lucian has +60% AD/auto alongside 120% of his AD.

Relative to the scaling most ADC's have (except for Kalista, but she has insane mobility), his W is incredibly weak.

Chuck Charles8 votes

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ADC Kennen's Damage falls off late

I think you forgot about him have the 2nd high base ad and as at level 18 (for ranged)

and besides if you get one stun your fucked and you can always peel for yourself

never ever look at base damages, or attack speed scaling as a way to judge how a character scales into the late game without looking into their kit.

for example, teemo has one of the very best attack speed scalings in the game period. attack speed is VERY efficient on him. however, he has no attack speed steroid that is reliable (his passive does not count as its not practical in a team fight), and no AD ratios on any of his abilities.

sure, he's "viable" in the sense that he is ranged and scales with AD/AS well. but that doesn't mean he won't have a terrible game as an adc come late game. Hell he's bad in ALL phases of the game.

Kennen, as rekkles said was picked for his utility solely. they knew they had to end the game fast, but they felt with all their ridiculous CC that all rekkles needed was to get ahead and they push down towers. Bork > runaans is VERY little damage, but he was super ahead so it didn't matter. they played him as a niche pick and they played it to perfection because they are a pro team and he is a godly ADC.

when you want to look at how something scales into the late game look at their kit in relation to their stats.

Vayne is considered a beast late game cuz her insane attack speed paired with massive AD steroid on ult, with an on hit passive effect to her autos. that is great scaling. you need time to put points in your abilities and level up, so her early game is not as good as her late game.

Twitch has a great attack speed scaling, but also has a massive attack speed steroid on his ult and whoa lookie her, an AD steroid/range steroid on his ultimate. See a trend?

Kogmaw has attack speed scaling passive on his Q, great attack speed scaling in general, and whoa..look again...an on hit effect with his autos/massively increased range.

Jinx has massive range, increased damage on her autos, and AOE crits.

Tristana get massive range from passive, and a 110% attack speed steroid.

Kennen has a terrible late game and falls off super hard as an adc.

Auz the Ripper4 votes

The bigger issue with ADC teemo is he only has 500 range and terrible wave clear with nothing that that compensates for either.

The only really successful ADC with 500 range currently is Sivir, which is because she has massive wave clear, range on her abilities, and safety to make up for it.

Even Lucian, king of mobility is struggling with his 500 range

mk DILLY1 votes

He's got a horrible win rate in every role but top though. As someone who's mained him for forever, I really wish they'd rework him. I love him but he's got issues most people don't realize unless they play him. He does low damage unless ahead and can't do anything on a team fight of his ult is down or wasted. He relies on being oppressive in lane to get ahead, which is a horrible champion design. I'd like to see him get more damage and a little more team fight power in exchange for being less oppressive in lane.

CoolKnightST1 votes

You can't simply buff his damage with the amount of cc his kit provides.

A Miss Fortune5 votes

Jokes on you, I've been playing Kennen ADC for a while now. One thing that made me play him as an ADC is his really high auto attack range and his W passive. A resourceless, fairly mobile, mixed damage ADC with a lot of utility seemed really interesting to me and it worked.

blueberrypancake1 votes

So have I

+1 for the ADC Kennen bro

th3kill2251 votes

I've been wanting to try adc kennen but I've never actually played kennen before. Should I learn how to play ap kennen first or just start learning him adc?

Urgonnalearn2day2 votes

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I've been wanting to try adc kennen but I've never actually played kennen before. Should I learn how to play ap kennen first or just start learning him adc?

Just go straight into ranked and flip a coin. -_-

th3kill2251 votes

Can do! (I wouldn't actually ever do that)

Biffolo1 votes

On a serious note, go ap. AD kennen is not an easy thing to pull off, as it relies 100% on cheesing your opponent.

OOOOHHHHBABY1 votes

So does AP Kennen lol. No1 can out kite you with a item 3116 but ur so weak itll take awhile. And pretty much the only way you die is from flash ults...and akali

Biffolo1 votes

Ap kennen is actually useful post lane phase even if you didn't faceroll your lane. Ad kennen relies 100% on destroying lane, which isn't a reliable way to play this game.

Valenten4 votes

few weeks you mean

PiVoRx3 votes

Soon everything will be better adc than adcs themselfs.

blueberrypancake1 votes

Ikr

This will end up like dota a few years now, just trust me /s

Shifune3 votes

I don't get it. Kennen adc is nothing new. I've been doing that for like 4 seasons.

Chuck Charles2 votes

LOL when I saw it I was like fuck...RIP solo queue

Dehorn2 votes

nerf him. i've seen many champs gutted because they were able to be played in different roles, ad or ap effectively. i used to play ap sion and they killed it. ad fizz, dead. ap ez, nerfed. ap tryn, rengar, and gp gone. etc etc etc. if other champs cant be versitile, than neither can kennen. gut this turd now.

Jari4 votes

You gut my Kennen and we're going to need a talk. We should gut Urgot too by your logic since he was played mid in LCS and won.

Dehorn1 votes

he was mid as the bruiser hes meant to be. he didnt support then adc then ap top.

Jari2 votes

Urgot was never intended for mid. In fact he was originally a marksman in Bot lane and deemed broken as shit with Taric. He was gutted and rarely got seen, if anything in TOP! I didn't ever see Urgot mid until after LCS.

Which, since you say that's where he's meant to be, would you also say Jayce and Olaf should be in mid like the bruiser they're meant to be?

Dehorn1 votes

i dont think youre getting it. urgot mid was played and built exactly the same as urgot bot, and top. his playstyle never changed. olaf was still olaf and jayce was still jayce. kennon on the other hand can build support, ap and adc while still being just as effective. if ap urgot top or support urgot would work in worlds, then you have a good example.

Jari1 votes

I've given ADC Kennen a earlier in the year, I want to mention this to you.

There's a requirement to ADC Kennen, you need to basically own your lane or you're going to lose. You have no abilities that help you as a marksman minus W passive and maybe E, but they lack any damage. Other marksman generally have abilities they can use to either get at an enemy farther away, or boost their damage in their AA range reliably, to assist them past the laning phase. Kennen doesn't have that. Sure, he has an escape and a stun, but they don't do any damage as AD. AP Kennen does more past the laning phase, so you have to try and win early.

Also, I'm unsure how being able to perform in a different area is considered a bad thing if he doesn't roflstomp you all the time. People complained about Jayce mid because it either was destroyed by Jayce mains, or Jayce fed 20 kills because of LCS copycat. Kennen has been in that Niche pick of ADC since SEASON 2! It isn't anything new, but people every year treat it like it is.

Also...

kennon

Dehorn1 votes

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Also, I'm unsure how being able to perform in a different area is considered a bad thing if he doesn't roflstomp you all the time. People complained about Jayce mid because it either was destroyed by Jayce mains, or Jayce fed 20 kills because of LCS copycat. Kennen has been in that Niche pick of ADC since SEASON 2! It isn't anything new, but people every year treat it like it is.

like i said, i've always played off-meta, niche champs/builds. once those builds got popular, they were nerfed or reworked. every single time. kennon stepped up and now its his turn. blame the pros for exposing him.

mk DILLY1 votes

If just as effective means he usually loses in any of those roles, you're right. He has horrible win rates in every lane but top. And what is wrong with a champ that can effectively play multiple roles if he's not OP in any role? That just adds diversity and fun to the game.

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

Yep, you're gonna see loads of douchebags such as these:

Just finished watching the first ADC Kennen Worlds match, and then proceeds to queue for rank game. Some dick in rank picks ADC Kennen

Me: Dude, can you not? I'm in my promos right now Dick: Don't worry man, I main him :D Me: ......

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

I never thought a adc with the exception for kalista will bring in ruunans

LordForrest1 votes

uh, kog maw? Varus? i guess twitch? Cait can make use of it. Ashe? i am probably forgetting someone but oh well.

Mat7itan1 votes

Who played it? I need to watch the game.

Jeddy0171 votes

Rekkles from Fnatic.......twice by the way.

Skillsh0tN00b2 votes

Fnatic played AD Kennen VS C9 https://youtu.be/6uhXo2WXCwY?t=660

SlyTactician 1 votes

Well...nice to see Kennen get some discussion for now though I sure hope sheep don't start picking him for this very reason. I prefer my Kennen top, he's a great champ for the hit and run playstyle though true adc Kennen has been around for quite some time before this year.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Well that explains why I've been seeing a few in Teambuilder lobbies.

Simplicate1 votes

Tried that once before, didn't like it.

ihaveapotion1 votes

i had alot of fun playing against kennen bots since i play support lisa. xD

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