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"Yasuo's 2nd passive shield was to allow him to survive as a melee champ in mid lane"

dunder kill··7 votes·645 views

Yes, thats true. Yasuo was originally designed to be a Mid champion. That made sense when he was laning against ranged mages.

However, the reality of this situation is that he is a majority top laner now. His shield just allows him to abuse melee champs for guaranteed winning trades before he uses his insane lane mobility to get away before you can properly retaliate.

His shield just makes his early game much too strong considering he scales extremely hard into late game. He doesnt even have a weak Mid game because item 3046 (only 2550 gold) is such a massive power spike on him.

So we're in a similar position as we were with Ekko. A champion designed around mid lane gets taken top where he wasnt designed around.

Possible solution: Attach his passive shield to his Ult. When you put your first point into your ult at 6, you regain his passive shield exactly as it functions now. This gives us at least a reasonable window of opportunity during his early game, which is supposed to be weak.

20 Comments

Ahristocats3 votes

yasuo shield was designed to give him an unreliable defensive steroid, not to counter mages or some shit because when you're MELEE you need something to survive

dunder kill2 votes

I didn't say "counter". I said "allow him to survive" against ranged mages as a melee. I also conceded that it made sense when he was primarily a mid laner.

But now he's a top laner and his shield is just oppressive against other melees.

I'm not sure if you read the whole thing or not because you pretty much said exactly what I already did lol

Ahristocats1 votes

i read it, and his shield is a shield being oppressive against melees or not isn't the problem

yasuo shield is compensated by his base stats, when the shield is down yasuo can't 1v1 any melee in the entire planet except maybe gangplank

list me one top lane that loses against yasuo in 1v1

even maokai wins

dunder kill1 votes

Illaoi Yorick DrMundo Olaf Trundle Shen Rengar MonkeyKing Mordekaiser Chogath

Legit anyone who doesnt have a way to point-and-click stick to him. This is how it works. Yasuo dashes in and uses his shield to win a trade and dashes back out on his own terms. His ridiculous lane mobility allows him pick the fights and for how long. The only champs that do well against him are ones that can point and click CC him or at least stick to him long enough

Also you have to factor in that Yasuo WAY outscales most of the lane bullies that can deal with him in lane like Renekton Darius

Ahristocats1 votes

Illaoi is garbage past platine same for yorick mundo wukong morde and shen, yes morde is garbage and it's not because one dude can play it means that he's viable

PS: cho trundle rengar and olaf win hard against yasuo if you lose i don't know what happened

you listed me garbage top laners that are weak alone, it has nothing to do with yasuo

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Lol morde fucks over yasuo hard lmao, it's not about rank

GULAG 4 U2 votes

LMAO THINKING MORDE LOSES TRADES TO YASUO

LOL

ReZisT Lust1 votes

Your not supposed to be late game with renekton you need to end mid after your power spike

Eedat1 votes

Uh, you pretty much just agreed with the whole post

Dabrick011 votes

Yeah, without his shield and W, he would only be played toplane and people would flip the fuck out.

Unpaladin1 votes

Like how Zed and Fizz need something to mitigate getting poked pre-level 3? They get by just fine without abilities that let them flip around or throw out wind every time they see a projectile too.

Ahristocats1 votes

zed has something else than poke mitigation, he has endless ranged poke that removes 50% of the laner hp, but riot nerfed it and now zed is garbage

Fizz on the other hand i agree, his early game is really weak and that's part of the reason his win rate is 45%

ReZisT Lust1 votes

What is that 50% hp chunk your talking about i never heard of it anf endless poke imma need energy regen runes hmm

RivetAce2 votes

I think his DPS is worse than his shield. Right now he has all the tools to win quick trades, but he has so much DPS that he just goes all Master Yi on you and you die.

Dabrick012 votes

I think you have been watching too much Gbay99. He's not a toplaner, but since the toplane meta is so weird right now that he can fit there.

Your entire argument is founded on points that make no sense. So imma go through your points one by one.

  1. He is not a Top laner, although a skilled player can play him Top.

  2. His early game is a bit strong, but the problem lies in his numbers not solely the existence of his passive shield. His late game is crazy strong if you let him get to that point, but even with his shield, he is still easy to shut down unless your jg is a potato.

  3. He does not have "INSANE LANE MOBILITY" if you don't suck at the game. He has situational Mobility. If you manage your minion wave and stay away from it, you will not be susceptible to early trades. (Side note, if a Yasuo isn't making early trades, hes garbage and should never be a threat unless you are as well.) If you can't deal with early trades, then don't play a champ that is susceptible to early trades. Play someone like Malphite or Irelia.

  4. You are so fucking wrong about his MID game though as it is SUPER weak. He does not have enough survivability yet, unless he is fed, to survive a teamfight if focused. He may have a PD, but that its 12% dmg reduction to ONE PERSON, not the entire team. If he is fed, he wont need dmg reduction since he can one shot you. Moral of the story, SHUT HIM DOWN EARLY.

  5. We are in no way in the same or even a similar position with Yasuo as we were with Ekko. There was a time when Yasuo was building item 3078 item 3022. That was when we were close, but Tankko was something completely different. Ekko, at that time, didn't even build in the class of items he was supposed to, and built tank. Yasuo will never have that problem again because of the changes to his Ult armor pen and a few of his values. Tankko was an accident. They never even imagined him being taken out of Midlane. After a few patches, and this assassin rework, hes back to the Midlane.

  6. Your solution is fucking stupid. Sorry to put it blunt, but it is core to his kit and doing that would make him unplayable, which is probably what you want.

Yasuo, at his core, is a Melee fighter. He thrives in an isolated, 1v1 environment. If you give him that isolation at any stage of the game, you deserve to lose to him. I'm sorry but I like to look up a person's match history so I can give them personalized feedback. You play a lot of Wukong. He is perfect for getting around Yasuo. If he goes in for the early trades, Clone out and it will proc his shield and he wont deal any dmg to you. Dodge his 3rd Q and have your clone by LVL two and you should be fine. Get ganks from your jg and shut him down early. If you've read to here, I solute you. If you are a TL:DR person, you won't be here to read this, so fuck you. : ^)

Alex h87211 votes

I dunno about you but I see yas midlane a lot more often than toplane.

But then again a yas main will play him in either of those roles if they can.

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

Yasuo was designed for bot lane, not mid. They were trying to loosen the hold of ranged adcs bot, so think about what a melee champion would need to survive bot lane against a ranged opponent. Well he needs mobility to get onto and off of the ADC who has a range advantage. He would need some way to block their ranged autos. He would need some resiliency to poke in order to be able to farm. He would need some all in potential.

Yasuo has all of these qualities, it just turns out he also functions as a mid laner, so on release he was instantly taken there by the community and he's been there ever since.

BastionKross1 votes

Yes, thats true. Yasuo was originally designed to be a Mid champion. That made sense when he was laning against ranged mages.

No, he was originally designed to go bot lane as a melee ADC. That's why he has all those unfair mechanics in his kit that allow him to lane against ranged champs. CertainlyT himself said this is what was intended when he released Yasuo to the PBE.

But then everyone just took him mid lane because why struggle against two ranged champs when you can dominate one? CerT learned that if you want a melee champ to got bot and stay there, they need something that keeps them down there... and thus Morde's abortion of a kit rework was born.

Junkο1 votes

He was actually designed for top lane, but people took him mid lane so Riot rolled with it.

Also by spending 1100 gold as a top laner you can pretty much remove his passive from the game because Bami's will always proc it when it's up even when you are not fighting.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

If you actually bother playing top lane you would know plenty of melees can literally just run over his shield very easily.

And his toplane pickrate is only a little higher than midlane.

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