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@Riot: I congratulate you to fucking up the jungle once more.

SaltyToplaneGoat··6 votes·633 views

No, really, and this time you outdid yourself. I didn't think it could get any worse than Feral Flare, but back then you could at least BAN the champs that scaled too hard with it. Sated Devourer makes an even bigger group of champions EVEN MORE BROKEN THAN FERAL FLARE DID. Every jungler than can not utilize this item is absolute trash tier now.

I couldn't even believe that this was possible at first.

Yesterday I had a game as Poppy. Freaking POPPY. I wasn't taking that game seriously and there have been some miscommunications in champ select so i ended up Poppy jungle. I picked up dev and ended the game WITH 15 KILLS DESPITE HAVING ABSOLUTLY NO EXPERIENCE WITH PLAYING THIS CHAMPION. I was just rushing through, aa ing and Qing everything to pulp - and that was at 25 minutes, not even lategame.

And just right now against a Shyvanna. Why am I even building defensive items as Tahm if my 3k health + my 2,5k shield are completly shredded by a Shyvanna within two seconds?

Kayle is even more broken now since she got even more buffed with the AP item changes...

And from the sounds of the boards there are several other champions that are destroying the game right now, but luckily I didn't have to encounter them yet. Right now I am in a spot where I am only a moment away from not playing a single ranked until this is fixed. Because getting deleted in 2 seconds by an offtank so so awesome, no? Especially when you are supposed to be tanky and defend the squishies on your team...

This has to be fixed, INSTANTLY. This cannot wait until the next patch.

18 Comments

TeemoJenkins2 votes

Irony: The OP Poppy Game - Vayne without the item, out damaged you... Nerf Vayne? She can do OP JUNGLE ITEM DAMAGE WITHOUT IT! Irony: The OMG OP Shyv Game - Fiora was a dime behind her in damage... Nerf Fiora? She can do OP JUNGLE ITEM DAMAGE WITHOUT IT!

/endthread

Stiv12342 votes

**What Riot should be doing: **

Use the PBE for experimental changes and tweaks, then balance the worst offenders out and wait with tuning the fine things after they have been playtested by a large playerbase.

**What Rito actually does: **

Use the PBE for warning players about the completely broken things that they will push out no matter what happens so that those who dont want to experience these horrors are prepared.

SaltyToplaneGoat2 votes

There are two problems with current PBE:

1.) The testing population is way too small

2.) Rito seems to refuse to take in any kind of feedback which defeats the purpose of even having a public testing server.

But in this case number one shouldn't have been the problem as it's simply obvious by doing the math that this item is broken...

Stiv12341 votes

2.) Rito seems to refuse to take in any kind of feedback which defeats the purpose of even having a public testing server.

I do not have a PBE account, so I dont know about that from my own experience, but if you look at some of the shit that makes it to live, then you can conclude that either ^this or the PBE players speak klingon.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Even if they would speak klingon... an item as broken as that would be obvious case of "totally fucking broken". You don't need words to do math...

Live2LetDie1 votes

I sadly agree that that item needs to be hotpatched. Jungle shiv is just unbearable right now.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

An unkillable shredding machine. You cannot peel against her, you cannot fight her, you cannot run away from her and out farming her is not in the question either.

Your only choice is to sit in the base and wait for the game to end...

LaceUp231 votes

I'm convinced rito has business majors working on their balance team.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Whatever they are, they seem to be on the wrong team.

I mean, don't they playtest stuff like that before even putting it on the PBE?

It kind of feels like the balance team is not even playing the game they are supposed to work on...

LaceUp231 votes

Well, the rito balance team is revolved around what will make them more money. The tank meta has lost fans of "omg outplayed" by 2 shotting someone. Thus, rito had to bring that back so the 12 year olds will keep playing and spending money and watching LCS. Good for their business, sucks for us.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

The percentage of people watchign Esports is incredibly low compared to the actual playerbase this game has, so I barely doubt that that's it. I think the tank meta is even more esport friendly since you can now actually see what happens and it's not "you blink and the asassin has killed everyone".

I just think that it's personal incometence on the balance team, just to repeat my question: Do they even play the game themselves? Because damn hell it doesn't appear like that...

MohawkBird2 votes

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SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

PBE is barely used for "testing".(at least for balance matters)

It's more " we put this here before we shove it to live anyways no matter how broken it turns out while testing". I mean, over 90% of the changes on PBE go through anyways... it's like they could skip that thing entirely...

MohawkBird1 votes

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SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

The problem is also that the general skill level on PBE isn't something the game should be balanced around...

But in this case this isn't a "skill" matter. Simply reading the item description will make you know: This will be broken as fuck. You wouldn't even have to playtest it. Do the math and you realize just how broken this item would make certain champions.

In a game where damaging on hit effects exists (Yi f. ex. or certain items), you cannot implement a mechanic that DOUBLES on hit effects while also boosting attack speed. That's insane. Even someone that has absolutely no idea of this game could explain you why this is broken to no end...

LilxPaprika1 votes

only thing i dislike isn't the items its that riot scoffs at their player base. we insist this shouldn't go through in its current and they do it anyways.

If they want to experiment do it in a different mode just for that.

SaltyToplaneGoat2 votes

Indeed, PBE feedback tends to get ignored in most cases and the entire thing seems only to exist for deleting some bugs before shoving content to live.

I mean, if you want to add a new item mechanic, do it like with black market. Take a bunch of items, a lot of testing mechanics and shove them all into one huge experimental gamemode. Even if it's broken as fuck, no one complains because it's neither normal games nor ranked.

Dalanin1 votes

Lol wait till you face yi, i was a fed nasus in PBE with over 600 stacks by 30 mins, Yi came to duel me and to my surprise he killed me in 4 seconds, my wither made literally no effect and dealt over 1.5k True damage in 4 seconds

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