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a different take on infinite scaling: a champion who can break the level cap

Critmaster Garen··23 votes·10,480 views

this is probably a stupid idea, but we have certain infinitely scaling/stacking champions in this game.

Chogath can endlessly stack feast on enemy champions and epic monsters Sion can stack health on everything Bard can infinitely stack chimes Kindred can infinitely stack auto attack range and attack speed Veigar stacks ap Nasus his q

i think you see where im going with this.

what if there was a champion who could just infinitely level up past the level cap at 18?

no extra skill points, but base stats keep scaling up. so do abilities that scale with level.

just as an example. Garen spin scales with levels and he gets an extra spin on his e for every 3 champion levels. at lvl 16 this is 10 spins total. hed get the next spin at lvl 19, then 22, then 25 and so on.

of course the champion in question would be balanced with the whole concept in mind, and probably soft capped by an ever increasing xp demand to reach the next level.

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420 grams11 votes

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Critmaster Garen3 votes

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steraks doesnt scale up base ad anymore.

but yea, that would probably a problem. so the base stats would probably need to cap out aswell, and it should just be level scaling abilities that benefit from breaking the level cap.

though personally, i think sheen is still a problem and holds this game back in many ways.

Salamencę2 votes

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steraks doesnt scale up base ad anymore.

but yea, that would probably a problem. so the base stats would probably need to cap out aswell, and it should just be level scaling abilities that benefit from breaking the level cap.

though personally, i think sheen is still a problem and holds this game back in many ways.

It scales with base ad still. It just converts 50% of your base ad into bonus ad.

Khristophoros5 votes

But this ability to go past level 18 wouldn't even come into play in alot of (maybe most) matches.

leakinb5 votes

Are you sure the game is long enough to reach lv 18 or above?

Critmaster Garen4 votes

i mean, if the idea of infinite base stat scaling ends up being too crazy, we could also just say, that base stats stop growing at level 18 as per usual.

but his skills are designed based on level scaling (like garens spin), more than scaling up with ranks and they would keep growing as he gains levels past lvl 18.

Chembaron Yamada2 votes

That would be the better solution, I guess. Sion, for example, starts with relatively low base HP to make up for his infinite health scaling.

A champion gaining stats of any kind infinitely (health, AD, AS, armor, MR, health regen...) would probably have to have extremely low base stats to make up for that and would most probably end up not functioning in the early game, or his level scaling are so low that you don't feel a meaningful impact.

Making him cap his stats and just let his skills scale endlessly would be easier to balance.

Bob the Toastr2 votes

Lol you'd never get to use it because matches end at 15 mins anyway

Tychusfindlay9182 votes

chogath is a balance nightmare who is either oppressive as fuck against all tanks and bruisers or in the spot where he is now.

Sion is healthy.

Bard is healthy.

Kindred is the supreme overlord of toxic fucking kits in that list.

Veigar is healthy.

Nasus is "balanced" but his kit is toxic and needs more counterplay.

Not sure if league should get another infinite stacker.

AnAggravatedPimp1 votes

They would need garbage base stats to make up for having probably the best late game period. It would need a cap though, just something unreachable like level 333

Pacattack251 votes

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They would need garbage base stats to make up for having probably the best late game period. It would need a cap though, just something unreachable like level 333

Here's the thing: There would actually have to BE a late game for this to matter...

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Doesn't Syndra break the level cap to upgrade her abilities a 6th time?

Critmaster Garen5 votes

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Doesn't Syndra break the level cap to upgrade her abilities a 6th time?

im not talking about ability rank, but champion level.

a champion who could keep leveling past lvl 18. the abilities are capped out at rank 5 as per usual. he wouldnt get any additional skill points past level 18.

but level inherent kit scalings (like garens spin for example) would keep growing. so would his overall base stats.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

oooooh, alright. Cool!

Paroe1 votes

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im not talking about ability rank, but champion level.

a champion who could keep leveling past lvl 18. the abilities are capped out at rank 5 as per usual. he wouldnt get any additional skill points past level 18.

but level inherent kit scalings (like garens spin for example) would keep growing. so would his overall base stats.

This concept would go really well with an insectoid champion who grows from baby stage to adult stage as different champions. Level 1-18; Level 18-36; Level 36-xxx; Fully formed adult?Maybe hes rune-tainted and the institute is keeping him under study

Could totally see a praying mantis who does this, and his final form is a humanoid form like a non-void khazix.

SennaFirstPick1 votes

uhm i think zilean could fit the idea you have in mind

AirKingNeo2 votes

I thought Syndra evolved her abilities once they're max ranked.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Maybe, I don't recall exactly how it works, but the OP already explained they don't intend for it to be like ability rank. They're talking about character level.

Automated Riven1 votes

Iirc sydras abilities simply gain a new passive, it doesn't require any personal input.

z63XnLCMwX1 votes

But it takes more exp to level as you get higher and most game ends with champions at level 15-16 so breaking the cap might be unviable.

JoeAnarchy1 votes

no

Hyquiem1 votes

Then they should be a tank. For the worth while maybe tanks should gain flat 200 hp per level, imo if a champ was to go past lvl 18. It should be a tank.

Pokemonred2001 votes

Kindred's range caps out at 750 (which they hit at 25 marks), but the damage on W and E and the attack speed on Q don't cap.

As far as infinite levels... I like the idea. I wonder how this would interact with items like Locket and Duskblade that scale on level.

WøOxer1 votes

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Kindred's range caps out at 750 (which they hit at 25 marks), but the damage on W and E and the attack speed on Q don't cap.

As far as infinite levels... I like the idea. I wonder how this would interact with items like Locket and Duskblade that scale on level.

Worst idea ever.

MrTwinkiee1 votes

no.

chipndip11 votes

no

Seer of Mind1 votes

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ZackTheWaffleMan1 votes

Downvoted because crap-ass image

Seer of Mind2 votes

downvoted because you've never heard of deep fried memes.

ZackTheWaffleMan2 votes

It's not even deep-fried though

Seer of Mind1 votes

trust me, if i was good at editing there would be a lot of shit in there

Deneviel1 votes

Inapplicable idea ..... the only matches where i see all lvls 18 it's in the "till 20 farm game simulation" of LCS

It would be a pain to balance ... since matches are too short and he won't be able to reach it's full potential and in those rare case where match last 35+ min he would have too much bonus stats

R35URR3C710N1 votes

An easier to balance version of this would be infinitely scaling abilities. They still have an exp bar to fill, but upon filling it they get an extra skill point and can level ult again every 6 levels. This would make klepto a god-like keystone to be sure, but its way easier to balance numbers this way than raw stats/level.

Marothennan1 votes

No please, NO. We don't need more [EDITED BY MODERATION] champions.

AHeroNamedHawke1 votes

summoner 14 doing 750 true damage

Big oof

DarkTree11 votes

can't wait for the vandiril "LEVEL 150 ONE SHOT??? 4K DAMAGE IGNITE??? TRIFORCE BROKEN?? 14k LOCKET HEALTH SHIELD??" video

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