Now that Syndra, Orianna, and Taliyah are all being dealt harsh nerfs, I can already tell what the next mid circle jerk is going to be.
We will see endless posts about how much Cassiopeia is broken and how she has no counterplay... "OMFG RIOT SHE DROPS POISON ALL OVER LANE NERFZZZZ"
48983507DEL110 votesI've never liked champions like her and Vlad that are classified as "late game hypercarries", yet have an extremely obnoxious lane phase.
WoonStruck4 votesVlad doesn't have an extremely obnoxious lane phase though.
Mid lane just about every champ outranges him and can bully/push him in.
Top lane just about every champ can stat-check him unless they let him get free empowered Qs off on them.
#Vlad snowballs hard, but you have to literally GIVE him the lead.
Doodlzzz3 votesYa but he's annoying and his voice is annoying and that pool is annoying and his sustain is annoying
It's like yasuo, bad but still annoying
Ahristocats3 votesexcept that vladimir doesn't exist in the game before 2 or 3 items
warpenguin5557 votes-30 damage on R isn't at all a harsh nerf. Unless I missed some other nerfs Syndra will still be sitting on top of mid lane
Ahristocats7 votessame with ori +5% damage reduction on Q after first target
Arakadia2 votesAs much as I want Ori nerfed more in other ways, it's -5% PER target to a minimum of 40%. So it's now 15% damage reduction for each target hit first.
That's a lot more than just -5%.
Ahristocats3 votesso?
how is it going to change her 100-0 an entire team? or killing someone with Q+W+E+AA? or her massive utility?
Arakadia2 votesIts going to allow you to stand between her and a wave and cut her main damage tool's damage in over half.
Like I said, its not going to fix her problems but it is way more then you made it out to be.
Edit: I list facts and get downvoted. I'm saying it is a bigger nerf. You need only stand between 3 minions to cut her damage down to half. That is a big deal. Before you had to stand between 5-6 minions for the same deal.
Kariu Rena1 votesI literally just played ori today and it didnt changed shit lmao
NineTailedMystic5 votesthat's cause its on PBE not live
Kariu Rena1 votesLol ur rite got too excited to see them finally get any nerf
Arakadia1 votesI'll still get downvoted tho ;-;
Kariu Rena1 votesI dont bother to downvote/upvote people
Blåbæret3 votes[{quoted}](name=i am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=42qXOV56,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-28T00:00:21.644+0000)
so?
how is it going to change her 100-0 an entire team? or killing someone with Q+W+E+AA? or her massive utility?
If your team is stacking and getting 100-0 by a heavily delayed ability, I'd say you have other issues to consider.
Ahristocats1 votestell that to pro players
they're having huge issues with this then apparently
My Waifu Vanilla2 votesYou're right I should have dodged the Zac E that went in the middle of our team from fog. Or the Grag E+Flash that set everything up. The problem with Orianna ult is it is physically impossible to outrun unless you are already moving. The 325 radius is EXTREMELY generous for having a 0.75 second delay (you have to have a movement speed of 433 to dodge the ult if the ball is directly on top of you which is NOT difficult with how easy it is for her ball to end up in the middle of your team via command protect and such). Orianna is INCREDIBLY overtuned and needs nerfs, but hitting Q damage through minions is not going going to change anything if anything she might just switch to maxing W halfway through instead of finishing Q if the damage loss is at all significant (W max isn't even THAT terrible currently because Lost Chapter is infinite mana in lane anyway). Hit her E passive to make trading with her in lane at all a possibility, hit her W interaction with Q so you can actually dodge the W, hit her cooldowns/mana costs. Never in my life have I said "god that Q did so much damage" when almost all of it is from the Q+W+Thunderlord's with Q only being a very minor amount of that damage. A Late game hypercarry should not have one of the best laning phases in the entire game.
KuroCaliber1 votesSorry, she's not a late game hyper carry. She's a control mage. They work similarly, but aren't as strong on DPS as say, Cass or ryze.
WoonStruck1 votesConsider that the large majority of her damage comes from her W...
Arakadia1 votesConsidering that I think otherwise due to her Q having more uptime and being maxed.
PePsiLemoNN1 votesNot like her Q has a 2s CD so it will reduce her DPS by a lot
Arakadia1 votes[deleted]
LyingOnLine3 votesNo, it's -10 per orb. At Rank 3.
As nerfs go, it's all of fucking nothing.
Arakadia1 votesYeah I missread it, thats a shitty nerf.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votesshe is top of mid lane ? hmm she has an 8% pick rate mid and a 46.34% win rate mid
so 8th most picked mid lane champ, 35th win rate
SOOOO BROKEN
Ahristocats3 votesbecause win rate obviously means everything
it's not like lb had 44% win rate when her silence was removed
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 voteswell if a champ is picked more then average (which she is) and has one of the worst win rates ( which she does) i dont think more nerfs are ideal
maybe a tweaking... but nerfs? no
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesOne of the worst winrates in the lowest of elos. Syndra is heavily dependend on the player. And i repeat myself on these boards since a lot of players are very stubborn about it: A good syndra won laning phase just by picking her IF not hardcountered if that is even possible. There are like 3 champs who can keep up with her. Winrate doesn't matter when 99,5% of all players on her are garbage. Same with fucking lee sin.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesher win rate in diamond is only 47.70% look at my comment breaking down by rank
and comparing diamond to pro play... there is a difference of 6.7% win rate between diamonds+ and pro play
WoonStruck1 votesOr Gragas having a sub-40% winrate in his pick/ban OG state.
warpenguin5551 votesI was referring to the pro play meta. I shoulda been more specific
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votesFair enough. A high level skillful player doing good on a champ. I need to look up the stats for syndra pro play this season to see how it compares to us apes mashing at a keyboard
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes
Bans : 1060
Picks : 608
Presence : 66.5%
Win rate : 331W - 277L
54.4 %
KDA : 3.2
CS/min : 9.1
DPM : 537
http://www.gamesoflegends.com/champion/stats.php?id=88&season=S7&split=ALL
this is her pro play stats for all regions this season so far.
clearly a stronger champion at the highest level of skilled players. a while ago riot made a change to her to indicate skill over average players on her. the comparison of pro win rate of 54.4% compared to 46.34% win rate (for plat + ) is glaring.
if we wanted to break it down by elo/rank
bronze (data for last 7 games) win rate 47.20% pick rate 6.59% silver (data for last 7 games) win rate 47.01% pick rate 7.57% gold ( data for last 7 games) win rate 46.99% pick rate 8.37% plat ( data for last 7 games ) win rate 47.07% pick rate 8.97% diam ( data for last 7 games) win rate 47.70% pick rate 10.12%
http://diamond.lolalytics.com/champion/Syndra/
so its a clear indication the higher the elo the higher win rate and pick rate therefore that change riot made wanting to indicate skill on her a while ago is indicated in the trend of #s and if we look at the stats for diamond+ vs pro play we have a difference of 47.70wr-54.4 for a 6.7% delta so at the highest two levels there is a difference of 6.7% win rate on syndra
just interesting to see
korg0231 votesYup, i have never seen someone survives with 30hp versus Syndra ult , its either like 300 hp or 0. No but really if balls are placed properly she should still oneshot you and that nerf is only targeted maybe if she misses other skillshots which was very broken imo. She should get rewarded for hitting skillshots not just press R while miss Q and W and E ...
Ben Sharpio5 votesexcept she is actually a broken champion that was powercreeped by other retardedly strong champions. Similar to how rumble is incredibly strong/overpowered but is powercreeped out.
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesDon't try to reason with boards. Both sides here are frankly retarded. Like i've been complaining about cassiopeia ever since her last rework. Riot always makes the same mistake, give someone godlike lategame on top of an obnoxious laning phase. Take a lot of her skill she actually needed by giving her slows, crazy MS boosts and a point and click spammable ability. Apparently according to the community moving a champ is the epitome of mechanics hence cassio is "very hard to play".
oSEXYPLATYPUSo5 votes
this lil thing just got buffed , really good vs the snake lady
so i think we will be ok
LightIsMyPath2 votesI expect a new one on Ahri too..
LyingOnLine2 votesButbutbut Adaptive Helm! So hardcountered!
My Waifu Vanilla2 votesI mean.....it is straight up 20% DR against her BEFORE the MR you also get from it. I honestly want to see Cassiopeia try to mess with Dr Mundo (who still isn't very good but it is a funny example) with an Adaptive Helm.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 voteschamps that need nerfs
48.07% win rate
46.34% win rate
lets not forget the buffs to 
or theses champs
54.69% win rate
53.29% win rate
53.05% win rate
53.04% win rate
52.91% win rate
they are ok right now
NineTailedMystic1 votes
I don't know what shit site you're getting stats from but both leagueofgraphs and op.gg have Ahri at a 51.7% WR.
WoonStruck2 votesOP.GG has her at 53.05%....
LOL
Mouse over her winrate on 7.26.
NineTailedMystic1 votesThat's deceptive. You'd think those two stats would update in tandem.
WoonStruck2 votesYou think Ori, Tali, and Syndra's nerfs are 'harsh'.
lol.
korg0231 votesAre they ever going to nerf Ahris mobility? Its just too stupid to escape with her Ult,Q ms, and Charm every time i try to engage on her , literally every time.
NineTailedMystic3 votesThat's all Ahri has. That's what makes her unique.
korg0231 votesYeah and oneshoting you with E Q W ...either have mobility or damage cant have both :) Btw i dont say her damage is on level with Syndra or Ori but she is just too annoying to play against in terms of catching her especially as jungler.
NineTailedMystic1 votesIf she didn't have damage her mobility is useless. If she didn't have mobility she'd be generic and uninteresting.
Sire Hippington1 votesYea, she and eventually Corki(though he already has a (small) nerf on pbe) Maybe even aurelion, thoguh he's not popular enough even in proplay i guess.
And you know what? Just like with Syndra, Orianna and Taliyah, those complaints are actually justifyed, atleast for high elo! The rule of thumb is that if it's consistently used in proplay, it's probably broken, else they wouldn't use it. In proplay, you try to maximize your chances to win regardless off funfactor or other indivduel preferences(well, there are pocket picks, but any good player plays the meta picks on top of that). This means you use what objectively is the best option(well, it's not always clear to say 'objectively'), and if a champ consistently is used in proplay and performes well, that means it is objectively better than other options atm, aka OP.
