i think we can agree kindred needs gutting ASAP

no, we do not agree

One does not simply nerf death.

Just because you got beat by a champ you don't understand yet only means you need to practice more, not nerf the champ. Nice try

"NERF THIS NEW CHAMP THAT I DON''T KNOW HOW TO PLAY AROUND!"

she seems slightly overtuned but im never an advocate for a champion to be "gutted" as any champ that is left unplayable or super weak should only happen because their kit inherently needs a rework and lacks counterplay. Yorick is left gutted because of his cancer kit, as is Poppy.

Kindred has tons of counterplay and outplay potential. she does not feel "OP" but a little overtuned in her overall damage. nothing in particular stands out as too strong, I just feel its the sum of all of it.

she doesn't need to be hard nerfed or anything yet. its way too early to judge. I'm going to personally give it a few more games and see how it feels and especially wait until people actually know how to play her before I call for nerfs or buffs. once people realize how to best utilize her it will be clear whether or not she is a bard (undertuned) or skarner (juggernaut release, overtuned).

just give it time. we'll see how it all plays out.

She has lots of counterplay. I don't see her being overpowered at all. Her range is short, she has no hard crowd control, and you can kill her Wolf targeted camps or set up traps for her in your jungle.

Invest in CC, and watch kindred explode..... Seriously. She's also a snowball champ, ahead she destroys, behind...it's a bad joke.

Also crowd control.... If she hits you with E move back during a fight, let it fall off then go back in and tear her face off... or if you can take the dmg and got cc lock her down.... A nunu, sona combo works great for shutting down kindred..... sona ulti ontop of nunu...no running before he goes boom or even ulting.