dont nerf devourer. nerf bork

Critmaster Garen·Jul 12, 2015·18 votes·1,827 views

thats the actual problem with the item. borks passive has been massively overtuned ever since they buffed the value to 8% and had lifesteal apply to it.

you dont see people rushing devourer with wits end. you always see it in combination with bork. if the passive of the item is op in the first place, its not gonna get better if it applies twice every second auto attack.

remove the lifesteal from the passive again, and lets see what it does. thanks to it, building health on a tank isnt even a real option anymore. youre just giving the adc more ammunition against yourself. the larger your health pool is, there more hes gonna heal off it. its ridiculous. what are you gonna do? not build health and focus on armor? last whisper doesnt allow that either.

22 Comments

I is IlliterateJul 12, 20158 votes

Nerf Bork? Vayne's core item?

YES. YES PLEASE.

Yosuke ApperuJul 12, 20152 votes

Then tanks can be tanks again <3

FadedpfJul 12, 20151 votes

Hack rito and change her face to Evelynn or Kassadins so they nerf her? YES PLEASE.

jDVL20eCYsJul 12, 20156 votes

kind of true actually

Mr Broken WingsJul 12, 20154 votes

Because kayle isnt broken with that item and without bork. LOL gameplay and balance BOYZ.

Critmaster GarenJul 12, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mr Broken Wings,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=40lkUEP1,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-07-12T12:46:05.919+0000)

Because kayle isnt broken with that item and without bork. LOL gameplay and balance BOYZ.

actually no. i dont think so. when was the last time youve seen a jungle kayle? shes a terrible jungler. if youre really not punishing her for that pick, then youre doing something wrong.

what breaks the item is literally only borks passive. even yis true damage is not that much of an issue, since the window of dealing true damage is rather limited.

but borks passive is op on its own and its what breaks devourer. its not actually devourer that breaks the champions.

Gregor GysiJul 12, 20153 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=40lkUEP1,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-07-12T13:02:19.368+0000)

actually no. i dont think so. when was the last time youve seen a jungle kayle? shes a terrible jungler.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Just try it, every Devourer proc her damage DOUBLES. Straight out doubles. And back in S4 people played Kayle jungle successfully without Devourer even being there. It's not BORK. ADCs take long enough to shred Tanks anyways as it is right now, we don't need BORK nerfs.

Sire HippingtonJul 12, 20153 votes

she's actually doing just as fine top/mid as she does jungle, so it's more a thing of kayle rather than devourer

Critmaster GarenJul 12, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Don Pavoni,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=40lkUEP1,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2015-07-12T13:28:45.246+0000)

she's actually doing just as fine top/mid as she does jungle, so it's more a thing of kayle rather than devourer

im not sure how youd even jungle her. doesnt she have a terrible clear speed and is relatively squishy?

Sire HippingtonJul 12, 20155 votes

her clearspeed is actually really high, her E gives massive AA dps. And by beeing ranged and starting krugs for the stun, she can kite most camps quite effectively, while her base tankiness is higher than that off other ranged as she's a half-time melee early on. She also has her W heal for sustain.

Critmaster GarenJul 12, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=Don Pavoni,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=40lkUEP1,comment-id=0001000100000000,timestamp=2015-07-12T13:38:46.568+0000)

her clearspeed is actually really high, her E gives massive AA dps. And by beeing ranged and starting krugs for the stun, she can kite most camps quite effectively, while her base tankiness is higher than that off other ranged as she's a half-time melee early on. She also has her W heal for sustain.

even then, id say she is the exception due to her e and passive. and its still not clear if it makes her actually op, or just viable. ive seen most champs ever only go with devourer and bork.

ive even seen a fizz who when devourer + bork and the rest straight tank. im convinced most of the problems with devourer stem from the fact that borks passive is simply op. the fact that it applies lifesteal negates any options for a tank to actually build defenses.

and imo it was a knee jerk reaction to cinderhulk, sejuani in particular and similar health tanks being strong for a short while. they wanted to kick like 2 or 3 health tanks out of the game and fucked everyone over with that move. now its coming to bite them in the back.

Sire HippingtonJul 12, 20154 votes

As i said in my first post, i don't think kayle is a problem because of devourer, but on her own, as she does just as well top and mid(without devourer)

I 100% agree that BotrK is the more problematic item. If we compare it to his ancestor, Madrets Bloodrazor: Madrets: +25 armor +40 attack damage +40% attack speed Passive: Unique: your basic attacks deal bonus magic damage equal to 4% of the target's maximum health (maximum 120 versus monsters) Cost: 3,800g

BotrK: +25 Attack Damage +40% Attack Speed +10% Life Steal Passive: Unique: Basic attacks deal 8% of the target's current Health in physical damage (max. 60 damage vs. monsters and minions) on hit Active: Unique: Deals 10% of target champion's maximum Health as (min. 100) physical damage, heals for the same amount, and steals 25% of the target's Movement Speed for 3 seconds (90 second cooldown). Cost: 3,200g

So BotrK gives the same AS, a similar strong on-hit(8%current is 4% max in average), 15 less AD, 25less armor, but 10% lifesteal, which also works on the on-hit, and the active. I'd argue that 10% lifesteal is far better than 25armor, and the the lifesteal+active more than compensate for the 15ad, leaving BotrK just as powerfull, or probably even more powerfull than Old Madret's. However, it costs 650g less...

AdamFrostyBeastJul 12, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mr Broken Wings,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=40lkUEP1,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-07-12T12:46:05.919+0000)

Because kayle isnt broken with that item and without bork. LOL gameplay and balance BOYZ.

have my upvote and may the 2 sheep that downvoted you be cursed because they don't like the truth as it seems

MrButtermancerJul 12, 20153 votes

Nerf BoRK in this tank meta?

Are you out of your mind? The reason BoRK and Vayne are so huge right now is because of the massive amount of tank running around right now. Tanky everything is almost as annoying as mobility everything. I for one don't want this to get worse.

KONO RUBICK DAJul 12, 20153 votes

nein

people think it's a tank meta but you only see tanks in the jungle (and now less tanks with this devourer item)

Yosuke ApperuJul 12, 20151 votes

You got it right, devourer has just shifted the tank meta so fast. Also I'm literally seeing vaynes every freaking game, and not being able to itemize against a yi is annoying as hell. Because LOLOLOLOL true damage, magic damage, and physical damage + three alpha strikes in a fight is fair. XD

KONO RUBICK DAJul 12, 20151 votes

three alpha strikes? riot nerfed it on pbe only yi's E is doubled and it's every 2 strikes the interaction between his Q and devourer was removed. and are you even going to listen to those sheep? if he builds brk+devourer just go straight health+armor. he can't have every items he can't have armor pene+devourer+brk+defensive items+crit and as+on hit items.

the tank meta wasn't even shifted because there wasn't any meta. shen is the only tank that i see played top.

Yosuke ApperuJul 13, 20151 votes

I've fought a yi as shen, but the rate at which he was doing physical, magic, and true damage with every strike while wuju style was active just melted me.

Yosuke ApperuJul 12, 20152 votes

Vayne's problem is yes she's a tank buster, but she's equally as powerful as squishies, and If you try to 1v1 her unless you wait in a bush or enter the fight stealthed, she'll either a. condemn you and kill you, or be condemn you and tumble away. Also if she wants to fight and you don't it's too bad because her passive lets her catch you and fight you anyways. (there are some exceptions). She's a lot more problematic than people realize, and she also has an incredibly toxic player base to boot. XD

Critmaster GarenJul 12, 20151 votes

{quoted}

Nerf BoRK in this tank meta?

Are you out of your mind? The reason BoRK and Vayne are so huge right now is because of the massive amount of tank running around right now. Tanky everything is almost as annoying as mobility everything. I for one don't want this to get worse.

first of all, what people call "tank meta" is just tanks being part of the game again after being completely unviable since season 3.

second, bork already did the job, when lifesteal didnt apply to the passive. the last buff to the item came out of nowhere and was entirely unecessary.