Stop defending it. You get shit nerfed for everyone. You have been dominating the meta for years. You deal absurd amounts of unconditional damage by right clicking. Your items are cheaper than those of everyone else while being the most overpowered.
Your class is fundamentally broken, and no amount of justification is going to change that fact.
saltran33 votesThis post is the "Why nobody cares about the Boards" example 146#
Kai Guy16 votesI feel like A lot of support mains and tank mains like ADCs.
Blåbæret17 votesThey probably enjoy the freelo by being the ADC's bitch.
NocturnalSheild10 votes...you realize if not adcs then just someone else... right?
Like if mids were strong youd be here going "man i bet supports and tanks just like being mids bitchs"
NineTailedMystic5 votesMids are a lot more self sufficient than ADCs.
Troll for Trump5 votes...you realize if not adcs then just someone else... right?
Like if mids were strong youd be here going "man i bet supports and tanks just like being mids bitchs"
No, because ADCs have, and like always will be the only essential class in the game. Mid will alternate with mages, assassins, and a few other tidbits. ADCs have always needed to be in the game, and they've almost always had a support specifically designated to be their slave essentially.
The game is centered around the ADC.
If the game were centered around other classes, then yes, people would complain about them; but that has never happened, and likely never will.
Apple to orange comparison on your part.
My Waifu Vanilla4 votes
God they slave so hard for their duo lane partner giving them all those buffs and peel.
Troll for Trump1 votes[{quoted}](name=My Waifu Vanilla,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3vNNMl4a,comment-id=00000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-01-18T06:32:23.769+0000)
God they slave so hard for their duo lane partner giving them all those buffs and peel.
Leona is different, and yes, she can peel, but she's much better on the offensive. None of those are meta or have been meta for a long time (since ardent meta).
Only Brand and Leona due to overbuffs.
LordGeovanni2 votesLeona hasnt been overbuffed but rather the defense nerf hit her the least due to her w and aftershock scaling off of the one that activates first and the first 100 armor and magic resist scaling the hardest defense wise
Kai Guy23 votesI'm not wild about your attitude of treating people who enjoy team play as some one's bitch and want to point out that in the established meta ADC is a role found on both teams a vast majority of the time so freelo is not only inaccurate but your simultaneously being disrespectful to players who are doing more then "absurd amounts of unconditional damage by right clicking."
Blåbæret10 votesTell me, my man: A kog standing still spamming AAs with relic shield, overheal and Janna shield + locket. What "more" is he doing? Sure, Kog is by far the most braindead ADC out of all, and some do take more mechanics, but its still essentially the same concept. The damage from ADCs is rightly to be considered unconditional. There are zero abilities which need application to unlock their full damage unlike most other classes. They simply spam AAs + roids and have their full damage instantly. The only exception being Draven.
What else does an ADC do besides right click and stick to his butt buddy support and tank? Tell me, I'm listening. Heck, try playing a tank with a trash ADC on your team and you'll lose the game because you have no impact without them.
FairyDoll8 votesTell me, my man: A kog standing still spamming AAs with relic shield, overheal and Janna shield + locket. What "more" is he doing? Sure, Kog is by far the most braindead ADC out of all, and some do take more mechanics, but its still essentially the same concept. The damage from ADCs is rightly to be considered unconditional. There are zero abilities which need application to unlock their full damage unlike most other classes. They simply spam AAs + roids and have their full damage instantly. The only exception being Draven.
What else does an ADC do besides right click and stick to his butt buddy support and tank? Tell me, I'm listening. Heck, try playing a tank with a trash ADC on your team and you'll lose the game because you have no impact without them.
No offense, but this shows how ignorant you are of the role. ADC takes a lot of skill to play because of how easily killed they are. If you'd ever played it, you'd know how hard it is to position well enough in fights to not get insta gibbed by everything bull rushing you.
T4underbolt3 votesHow easily killed?you have supports that shield you for enyire health bar while healing you and giving you ad or as or ms buffs and debuffing and dealing dam to enemies.
HeeroTX2 votesOR, you have "I saw Katarina support faceroll nubs on a stream" who feeds your opponent 5 kills in 10 mins. ADCs deal a lot of damage, but they also are somewhat reliant on teammates NOT being complete morons.
T4underbolt1 votesHaving troll support isn't an argument. Balance is considered in situation where everyone are normal players.
HeeroTX2 votesBecause of auto-fill, I'll bet you right now that support has more trolls than any other role. And even without that, it has more people that "don't understand the role" more than any other role (aside from maybe Jungle). Solo-Q is full of people that aren't going to really "support" the adc, whether due to just not being any good at the role or because they think THEY should "carry". And I say that as a support secondary who doesn't mind playing the role (and sometimes choose it as primary role).
LordGeovanni2 votesNo we dont
Athenes Lulu3 voteshave you seen lulu mains kappa
im actually surprised that most of them hate adcs despite playing as enchanters
Rester16 votesYou're just gonna bitch about a non-adc a few days later because you got facerolled by something that isn't an adc.
Ok sure but why14 votesunconditional damage
Because having almost no armour or health isn't a condition.
Blåbæret8 votes[{quoted}](name=Ok sure but why,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3vNNMl4a,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-01-18T03:04:27.931+0000)
Because having almost no armour or health isn't a condition.
You're entirely correct: It isn't. Thanks for the clarification!
Sqkerg6 votesBu... but it is... and a very big condition at that.
Skull07184 votesbecause vayne doesn't have a knockback to get distance, kog, twitch, a slow, trist a jump, and any other form of cc to kite or do anything else .[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
Sqkerg3 votesLike you, as a champion with four abilities, don't have something that can negate those.
NineTailedMystic1 votesIt isn't a condition. Them having 0 armor is not the cause of them doing so much damage.
My Waifu Vanilla2 votesHe's referring to people complaining that Tristana or someone 3 shot them when they probably didn't have any armor or Tabis to counteract it. WTF WHY CAN ADCS CRIT "TANKS" FOR 800 DAMAGE WTF?? when items like Tabi and Randuin make tanks incredibly hard to kill.
NineTailedMystic3 votesI've interpreted the comment as "ADCs have to build glass to do big damage" not whoever they're shooting needs to have no armor.
Lord of Math1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ok sure but why,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3vNNMl4a,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-01-18T03:04:27.931+0000)
Because having almost no armour or health isn't a condition.
loses 1v1 to 
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saltran3 votesVayne is a duel adc and she's created to kill tanks. Put this Rammus against other Adc and Rammus wins for sure.
Disembark3 votesAlso she’s building BorK too. For kiting, lifesteal, and tank shredding. Pretty much Ramus’s worst nightmare.
Spank the Fox2 votesThat Vayne build does zero damage, I fail to see how Rammus could lose to that.
Plastic 5 ADC14 votesAnother salty monkey
Troll for Trump8 votes[{quoted}](name=Plastic 5 ADC,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3vNNMl4a,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-01-18T05:14:12.656+0000)
Another salty monkey
Another ADC main...
Sõna6 votesEspecially to some people that is salty against ADC and SUP players.
"Ohhhh Enchanter is too strong, please remove them , Lulu just CC me I couldn't even move" "Ohhhh ADC just right click me to death, so unfair, item too cheap"
I meant, where's your teammate? your team can't have an enchanter and ADC too?
Typical 1v5 player talk that walks without having teammate.
Troll for Trump3 votesWell, see, thing is they're complaining about ADCs and sups on both sides. Not just the enemy being overpowered, but also the allies.
item too cheap
This has nothing to do with "1v5 talk"
The reason ADC has "teammates" is because the game is centered around them. The support is their slave, the jgl is their babysitter, the top is their meatshield, and mid I guess can do their own thing.
Of course you have a team to rely on, the game's centered around you. Of course top lane carries don't get that attention, and of course they'll complain. Even if they work with the team, it doesn't matter, the center stage still belongs to ADC.
Isn't it susipicious that the people defending ADCs are largely people from bot lane?
Sõna5 votesI also dislike the current ADC meta because of how massive the damage is, but no matter how frustrated I am, I won't say something like "No one likes your class".
"1v5 talk", this represents most of the whinner behavior when they talk about something they dislike without putting consideration of their teammate and self. It's 5v5 game, if enemy team has ADC, your team does have too.
Blue Moon Wolf5 votes
rood
Salron12 votes"Stop voicing an opinion I don't like REEEEE" And people wonder why Riot doesn't take this board seriously when shit like this gets upvoted
FNC Jinx10 votesHey genius, if it's not the ADC class, who's gonna deal with the 4K HP Ornn that's soloing the mages, supports and any other melee champions??
ADCs are a symptom of the problem: Overpowered Tanks that can duel, be a frontline, a backline, a damage source, the hard CC, the engage, the dissengage and the only Melee class that matters
The real solution and the truly Toxic Class is the Tank class, along with all the bullshit derivatives that Riot makes up to attempt to excuse their 999K HP champions that also deal damage and have hard CC and can dive towers, duel whoever and do whatever they want.
Why do you think Riot buffed ADCs?? Who else is gonna deal with those tanks?? Unless you nerf Tanks FOR GOOD ALREADY, ADCs are gonna be a necessary evil, so then ALL YOU HAVE in the game is the 90K HP characters that deal damage and the class that deals with them. Any other class is irrelevant.
ADCs need so much burst and power because Riot keeps buffing and buffing Tanks, so ANYTHING THAT'S NOT A TANK OF COURSE DIES WITH TWO AUTO ATTACKS
Oh and they just buffed Tanks, so enjoy the meta...
Ifneth9 votesI am a midlaner who likes ADCs! They keep the big, scary tanks away.
Carach Angren8 votesYeah yeah , ADC are op, bla bla bla
Everyone has a reason to justify their bad games
If not ADC, you would have spit your disappointment with another role/reason/champ/whatever the fuck you want
Getting tired of people complaining about everything
LegitBusinessman7 votesOP has clearly have never played adc and experienced the joy of getting instagibbed by an 0/5 assassin who can't CS or perform the most basic mechanics of the game at an even average level. Yep that's not frustrating at all.
He has also never experienced the complete game breaking nature of being the adc in the game who ISN'T ahead, but is actually perpetually throwing toothpicks at people.
OP has never eaten 3/4 of their hp from the aftershock tank supp who takes no damage. Neat.
Ever play Sivir and spellshield a main spell out of most champions rotation and still die anyway because you're made out of paper?
But whatever you say bro. I might sympathize with you if the game didn't offer literally dozens of ways to melt an adc in half a second.
Lauchmelder2 votesDude, only 1 (MAYBE 2) of those things are exclusive to ADCs.
We have to stop acting like ADCs are the only ones with such problems.
Your midlaner can get instagibbed by that 0/5 assassin just as easily as you can.
Ever dodged a Morgana Q, a Malphite ult and a Syndra E just to die to 2 AAs from their ADC?
I'll give you the aftershock and needle dmg ones though.
Athenes Lulu2 votesYou forgot to add how much bullshit they had to deal with when it comes to the widest array of supports.
If people here think ADCs are "assholes", well guess what, there are just as many support players who are equally toxic. And the worst of all, that support is the one you have to depend your life on, while as support you are still somewhat self-sufficient as you got plenty of tools to fend yourselves. ADCs most of the time don't.
Teridax687 votesThis... isn't how you convince anyone. Tbh I'm not quite sure what the point of this thread is, other than to vent or farm upvotes. If you want to convince people of the point you're trying to make, the absolute last thing you'd want to do is draw arbitrary lines in the sand and paint everyone who disagrees with you as some kind of biased hater. Even as I personally agree with several of the criticisms of marksmen (stuff like high autoattack damage, cheap and strong itemization, and mandatory status in the meta are all demonstrably true), throwing that out there in an attempt to silence a part of the community, who deserves just as much of a voice as any other, kills any sort of productive discussion before it even has a chance to start.
As much as I dislike the sweeping generalizations made about Gameplay, this thread is the prime example of a circlejerk, or at least an attempt at one. You, LesVitesses, have a track record for holding a severe grudge against marksmen, and while that in itself could be fine, your actions through threads like these are detrimental to the cause you are fighting for, and to Gameplay in general. If you really want to make a difference, argue in a reasoned manner that gets people on your side, instead of marking them out as the enemy. Make threads that genuinely add to discussion, rather than OPs like these that add strictly nothing to the conversation. As a Boards regular, you have the power to make a difference and be a voice of reason, but so far your approach is exactly the kind that makes people not take Gameplay as seriously as it deserves.
HalcyonDweller3 votesWord. I could not have said this better.
Also, that track record extends beyond the topic of marksmen. They have a habit of drawing lines in the sand over pretty much any issue.
Teridax681 votesThis is completely true, and is also a flaw I've seen in some other Gameplay regulars on here: there are definitely topics around here that tend to be pretty divisive, such as marksmen, but I also feel one of the issues with this kind of space is that it's a place where disagreement is bound to happen, but where a ton of people going in aren't really equipped to handle that. It's all too easy to fall into an Us versus Them mentality when not interacting face-to-face with people, and on top of that I think many of us here come from a culture and education that doesn't handle disagreement very well. Criticism of our actions or even just the things we like tends to get interpreted as a personal attack, and the reflex then is to lash out and treat the critic as an adversary. Even some Rioters have been guilty of this. Because of this, it could help a lot if there were resources made more available and visible, even necessary for players who come on here, so that we could all discuss our disagreements constructively, instead of isolating each other and fighting when we're all on the same team.
Beyond that, I also think a problem with threads like the one we're in is that there's very little accountability or repercussions for them, even though they are absolutely destructive to this environment. The Universal Rules are vague at best when it comes to arguing on the Boards, but even the golden rule of "don't be a dick" isn't applied with regards to threads that harm the overall atmosphere of a sub-Board. There still isn't a report option for low-quality posts, nor are players punished for or even discouraged from making them, let alone encouraged to put more effort into their future posts (the voting function tends to reward circlejerks and low-effort posts more than complex and thoughtful discussion). A large part of Gameplay's problems come from its very structure and format, so even though we can call out toxic behavior as individuals, larger work would need to be done for that kind of behavior to truly end.
HalcyonDweller2 votesPart of the reason this is such a problem is that anger is contagious and is deeply rooted in human nature:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc
To be able to do something about it we need to make it easier to deal with it. By that I mean it needs to be more practical and efficient for moderators to handle it, or we need better conventions within the community so that we can more easily speak up or counteract the posts ourselves.
The problem with being heavy handed about it is that people will start whining about censorship and that's a super touchy subject especially in the USA.
Edit: Actually I like your idea better, with a boards system that functions differently we could make it so that useful and high quality posts would naturally be rewarded more.
TylerBrah4 votes"Your class is fundamentally broken"
So use it to climb and link us your GGOP after a week.
:)