So.... AP jungles still really are super niche and/or tanks

deadlychuck··1 votes·367 views

seriously what's up with this. I mean i understand most AP champions are very slow at clearing and very mana restricted without blue buff, but isn't that a problem with just the design of the champions themselves? It wouldn't be hard to make a champion that would do just as well or better in the jungle than in lane, without mana costs, and be AP... Think Rumble if his Q did bonus damage to neutral monsters instead of half -_- Or does riot just dislike AP jungles unless they are tanks?

Edit: ok, let me clairfy something, the reasoning is obvious. AP almost always has to manage both health and mana (assuming no blue buff). Some of the things that attribute to this is the lack and poor effectiveness of spell vamp; because it's a very expensive stat for very little pay out. The other is damage distribution, most AP champions have terrible clear speeds due to their poor early game damage on their skills and poor damage without the constant use of their skills.

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12tales4 votes

Elise, Evelynn, Gragas, Karthus, Fiddlesticks and Kayle are all respectable junglers (Evelynn less so after her nerfs, but whatever).

The general issue is that at level 1, AP as a stat is going to have very minimal returns in terms of damage unless your AP ratios are on very low cooldowns (or auto attacks, as the case may be). So, a champion like Lux is very unlikely to be a viable jungler unless her E gets massively buffed (which is basically what happened to Gragas).

deadlychuck1 votes

Elise and Eve are fairly common, but that doesn't change that Karthus and Kayle are very niche. Fiddle sticks is far to easily countered, and while gragas can i've literally never seen him in one of my games. I honestly prefer it that way, but it's still a list of 6 champions compared to...

Aatrox Darius Hecarim Jax JarvanIV Khazix LeeSin Nasus Nocturne Olaf Pantheon Rengar Riven Trundle Tryndamere Udyr Vi Warwick MonkeyKing XinZhao

or the more niche AD jungles

Yasuo Fiora Gangplank Jayce Renekton Yorick (also every ADC)

Phoenix Kotori 1 votes

No one really jungles Aatrox Darius Jax Nasus Olaf Trundle though 99% of the time they're played top lane, they're niche junglers as well.

Also most AP champs tend to be ranged which means their base stats are too weak for the jungle (you don't see ranged AD or supports jungling either).

Also Akali Katarina Fizz Morgana Karma Malzahar are about same tier junglers as the above group AD or the niche AD ones you listed, people just don't try to jungle them ever.

Sunfield1 votes

This guy said it.

GanksLikeGast0n1 votes

Diana Is also a FANTASTIC jungler whom I have had a great deal of success with.

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