At least runs on energy
Doesn't have two built in hard CC abilities on two separated skills
So why is such a spamy champion like Riven resourceless? She's gated only by cooldowns, which aren't that long to begin with.
I just don't understand why she has no mana, or energy, or anything at all.
Maximum Morde39 votesBecause she gets endless supply of money from the weebs obsessed with her.
Qiy4na4 votesi thought that was yasuo? how is riven weeby
Maximum Morde4 votesOne does not exclude the other. I'm afraid to have to break it to you, but if these pillows exist, it's a weeb champ. It can be a weeb champ without the pillows, but if the pillows exist, it is 100% confirmed.
ScreamPaste10 votesMaximum Morde6 votes[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]
Unstoppable Monk2 votesEveryone's a pillow if you're brave enough.
LXII4 votesUnrelated.. but where can a girl find one of those?
Asking for a friend doing a project.
Maximum Morde3 votesLoL, just Google "<character name> body pillow". Be warned, it took me a little work to find one that wouldn't get me banned from boards for posting the picture, so maybe don't do it at work.
If you want a shortcut, Amazon has them.
Ralanr24 votesBecause she's a heavy combo based champion that's supposed to emulate a fighting game character.
Granted I don't like her having two forms of hard CC as it tends to make fights against her unfair. It's almost like when assassins had silences, you can't do anything as you're bursted down.
Spoofghoul3 votesThat and she scales of 2 stast ad and cdr
bot of them she gets tons of with cleaver/youmou
then she also gets to spam big fat shields :(
having to burn trough those 800 shields every 2 seconds once shes full built is a pain in the but
Spaceman5pff4 votesCorrect, but she has a much slower damage pattern than purpose-built assassins. Her ability to close on you and block damage / lock you down is how she is meant to survive in close up fights.
Just like irelia has healing, Kha has stealth, and fizz has maneuverability, riven has shielding, mobility, and cc.
Trust me, if riven was good like she used to be, we would see much more of her.
rmch996 votesTo be fair the hard cc is almost no duration between the 2 of them. It's 1.25 seconds. That's nothing compared to many champions. The q is barely more than an interrupt.
Ralanr5 votesI know. But it fucks up Sion's Q all the same.
It's not that I can't beat Riven players at my skill level (I'm not going to claim myself a champion against all Riven's) it's just annoying to have two ways to stop my Q and to be very mobile so she can dodge my E easily.
I can still fight her, but it's a chore.
DunkinNoobs17 votes[{quoted}](name=FNC Jinx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3tuTFQ0U,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-09-13T12:36:05.349+0000)
So why is such a spamy champion like Riven resourceless?
You already answered your own question. Why does a champion that needs to use every single ability every single time in order to survive at melee range resourceless? Why indeed.
Hell, why is every recourceless champion melee? Care to hazard a guess?
LankPants4 votesHell, why is every recourceless champion melee? Care to hazard a guess?
Depending on how you want to define resourcless, 
and 
. Gnar is unarguably resourcless, I'd argue Vlad is too since his health costs are outweighed so heavily by his Q.
DunkinNoobs9 votesNeither of those champions are resourceless in the sense I'm referring to. Those champions still have restrictions on using their abilities besides CD; Gnar is locked out of half his kit until he transforms and Vlad has much of his power locked behind his 3Q. Those are still resources to manage, even if they technically have no cost or a negligible cost. Hell, by that standard of resourceless, Yasuo has several resoures to manage: His Q stacks, his E stacks, and his shield, all before even considering CD's. Hell, the only true "resourceless" champs are Katarina and Garen; even Riven has her passive that she needs to manage.
morris18 votesI don't think 20% current HP and 10% max HP every 7~ seconds are irrelevant costs.
Wind Whistler1 votesYou already answered your own question. Why does a champion that needs to use every single ability every single time in order to survive at melee range resourceless? Why indeed.
Hell, why is every recourceless champion melee? Care to hazard a guess?
He didn't say manaless, or energyless. He just said resourceless in general.
DunkinNoobs2 votesHe didn't say manaless, or energyless. He just said resourceless in general.
I fail to see how that changes anything. Why is a champion that needs to use every single ability every single time in order to survive at melee range resourceless? The answer should be obvious.
TyroneWatermelon16 votesBecause she's garbage desgined,just like Yasuo
DJ Lucio5 votesThat's cute
TyroneWatermelon5 votesIt's common knowledge,if a champion's entire gameplay is reliant on casting spells,IT SHOULD HAVE A RESOURCE
Kaioko11 votesIt's common knowledge,if a champion's entire gameplay is reliant on casting spells,IT SHOULD HAVE A RESOURCE
No that's really not the case - it depends on how effective that champion's spells actually are. Each of Riven's spells isn't as good as let's say a Morgana and because of that she needs the ability to spam them more. It would be like saying Katarina should be limited by resources as well wouldn't work with her gameplay style.
EndlessSorcerer15 votes[{quoted}](name=FNC Jinx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3tuTFQ0U,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-09-13T12:36:05.349+0000)
Yasuo has a knock-up on his Q and a suspension on his ultimate. Those are both hard-CC and they are on two separate abilities.
dunkeroni13 votesRiot was actually testing an "Edge" resource on the PBE at one point, where by fighting she would build up.... "edge" and it would empower her ult and skills. Because she's edgy, and riven mains are tryhards who like edgy things. Even Riot found it disgusting, so they didn't push the update out to live.
TyroneWatermelon12 votesDon't try to justify Yasuo,he does have AOE knockup and suppress and a windwall.
NightmareAmazoX4 votesYou can QSS out of yasuo ult. Just saying. His wind wall doesn't scale with CDR at all. Aaight ^__^
Adriqnohee5 votesAnd everyone knows QSS is a core build on 
and so many others, Yasuo isn't fighting ADCs until the teamfights starts you know.
Junkο11 votesHonestly, it's not like mana means anything anymore on new and reworked champions. Anybody that is not a mage or caster or an old champion very rarely runs out of mana now.
Mr Broken Wings10 votesRivens kit is designed to be a spammy kit without gating, so her basic abilities base damage is horribly low. If they give riven mana they would have to buff her kit damagewise quiet a bit and people wouldnt like that. By giving her this option of being spammy they can make her basic damage in her kit godawful to make it hard to snowball earlygame. Katarina has the same design, even rumble to some extent. And trust me, muramana riven would be broken, be happy they dont do that.
WoonStruck1 votesHave you done the math on her damage potential level 1, up until 9?
She in no way would need number increases if she had gating. She'd just have to play smart like almost any other champion, rather than have automatic lane dominance.
Nuparu4 votesShe has nowhere near automatic lane dominance though...?
Matter-of-fact, she has about the opposite against the majority of the roster. Especially, especially most of the stat check characters like Xin, Garen, Pantheon, or Renekton. Or most of the ranged characters like Ryze, Kennen, and Quinn...
Melledoneus6 votesTo be honest, I prefer Riven over Yasuo any day. At least her mobility is consistent and predictable once you learn it. Yasuo dashes around animation cancelling shit like he's a DBZ character in a fight disappearing during fights. And he can 1v1 anybody at level 1 and kill them. Riven at least has to try.
Denims Wrath6666 votes
Keepe3 votesBest. Build. Ever.
Denims Wrath6666 votesno no dude, think about it. riven, if she had mana. think about how scary this item would be on her
Keepe9 votesRelax. Riot wouldn't give her Mana. They'd give her Angst.
Buff Jax please5 votesCause she wouldn't work if she had resources. Same reason Katarina doesnt have a resource.
Guy Fox Teemo4 votesBecause her abilitys alone aren't impactful enough in one use to be worthy of mana cost. Short range, low impact abilities, unless all combined together. The abilitys alone don't do shit unless combined with her other mechanics.
Nuparu3 votesThe short answer? Because all of her skills are designed to be constantly used in conjunction with each other to get any benefit out of them.
The long answer?
The fighting game archetype involves constant motion and actions dictated only by player skill and ability. A lot of her skills fit into this design - but, they must be used in conjunction with each other in order to get benefit out of them.
For example, one of the complaints is that Riven has two hard CCs on her 3rd Q and her W. The W has almost no range, and she has to shield or Q into range to use it - and then she has to maintain that to get the CC out of her 3rd Q and use the shield benefit. See, now that she's used the 0.75 second stun on her W, she's burned either her Q or E. This cycle repeats - she would only get decent benefit from her shield if she could engage with her Q or stun with W (or both, in the case of doublecasts) and her Q would only be useful if she could constantly weave it with her passive and stun both.
The end result? Her kit doesn't function without other components of itself, there's almost nothing that works well alone. Even her ult requires her to chain it with all of her abilities to get any function out of it...
Now imagine this with Mana or Energy. She'd get almost nothing out of it, and would either need to have numbers like Zed (which always tends to become a problem very quickly) or low enough costs that she'd end up like E-Max Bruiser Akali was (also known as ridiculously unhealthy).
Veigarisgod13 votesBecause she is a slayer. Slayers need retarded ass gimmicks to make them work.
Arcus Diabolus3 votesAs a Riven main and a fighting game fanatic, give me something similar to a super meter in fighting games, where I have my abilities as normal, but I can enhance them with 25% meter and can spend either 50% or 100% of my meter to use "supers" that are unique abilities that HURT if you land them and SUCKS if you miss.
Meter would be gained in a similar fashion as well, by fast gains by attacking and a slower gain by taking damage, as well as a much slower passive increase while low on health, lets say 35% max health or lower.
(This actually helps work the gears in my head on a Riven rework idea that I'm coming up with... I'll see what I come up with and post a thread sometime later once I get a decent plan together. God I love fighting games <3)
PLEASE feel free to continue off this idea and tag me somehow to keep me posted.
The Whamboozler3 votesBecause her kit and playstyle rely too much on spamming for any kind of resource to work for her.
A better question is who thought a spamming, bursty, mobile, hyper-aggressive early-game bully with such hard snowballing potential was a good idea.
Droogzy2 votesWell you answered the question yourself, largely due to the spammy nature of it. Personally, I would REALLY prefer it would stay resourceless, a Riven with mana options would be terrifying.
If Riven was to have either energy or mana, one of two things would have to happen to keep her playstyle:
Either the mana cost or energy cost would need to be significant in that she'd need to use her ability with cost in mind. If this was to happen, her entire kit would need to be buffed.
Or her costs would need to be insignificant. in which case, there would literally be no point to having said resource bar. Not only that, but if it were mana, suddenly her build path becomes incredibly more flexible without any meaningful trade-offs.
Were this the case, be thankful she's resource-less as her build path is now severely restricted.
Penta Ace1 votesYeah maybe mana or energy might not solve her problem. I personally would like to see her mobility shifted to where she should choose wisely whether she wants to go in or whether she wants to use mobility to escape. As it stands now, she can can go in and escape fights with ease and without much worry, largely thanks to low cooldowns. Thoughts?
Droogzy2 votesMaybe higher cooldowns but greater distance covered overall?
Unfortunately, the spammy nature of her mobility is I think a core part of her kit, I don't think it can be tinkered around with much, as much as many people may hate it. It would be difficult to reach a middle ground where Riven players are happy and people playing against her are happy.
The problem I think overall is the concept of meaningful choice behind an ability lies in direct contradiction to an ability meant to be spammed.
Sir Fuzzi2 votesZed and Yasuo both approach fights totally differently from Riven. Look, Riven literally just goes straight to your face with melee. She doesn't build stacks, and she doesn't have poke. Strictly melee. Her range is strictly in an execute.
Riven is resourceless because as soon as she's stopped, it's pretty much a full stop on her entire initiate and literally all she can do to you. If she can't reach you in melee, for whatever reason, then that's it. Riven isn't doing anything to you. Maybe she pops like, 400 damage on her ult active. Oh dear.
If your champion requires a lot of melee, then a champion whose entire kit is built around strictly melee is going to feel pretty oppressive. It would probably feel a lot less like that for someone with ranged CC or reliable poke.
BLACK REALM GOD2 votesyou know who else is resourceless?
im sure there are others and while not all are completely cost free...
riven isnt that bad. get boots.
angery pout1 votesShyvana and Rumble both have resources. Calling them out specifically because Rumble is locked out of abilities or has enhanced abilities based on his bar while Shyvana needs to fill her resource bar to use her ultimate. Both rely on a unique resource to access parts of their kit.
BLACK REALM GOD3 voteswhen you look at it like that... then i guess only garen and riven are resource-less.
