please give fiora meaningful counterplay and mana costs

Mortekaiser·Feb 6, 2016·30 votes·1,326 views

she is still cancer to deal with, so her mana costs should be increased, as well as rethink the design of the "fuck you, I take no damage or CC" button

25 Comments

5050BSFeb 6, 20167 votes

Her Mana cost are stupid low

Dunkrius2gFeb 6, 20164 votes

Increase the mana costs just how Riot did to Darius to her Q. 20 / 25 / 30 / 35 / 40 MANA -> 30/35/40/45/50 MANA

Reduce 60% cdr when hitting a Q on a champion to** 30%, let it only be 60% once it hits a vital. ** Nerf the living hell out of Riposte by attack speed reduction by levels. **26% lv 1 /32% lv 2 / 38% lv 3 / 44% lv 4/ 50% lv 5 as opposed to 50% lv 1 ** Increase Ult Cost.

Reduce attack speed scaling from** 3.2%** per level to 2-2.5% per level.

Reduce Base Movement speed from 345 to 340.

Reduce Modified damage from E to 120%/140%/160%/180%/200% instead of 140 / 155 / 170 / 185 / 200% 」

These are the nerfs she can receive. You choose on what she deserves. Atleast she needs 2 if not one of these nerfs the next patch. If she is still obnoxious, then refer to this post.

AzteryzFeb 6, 20163 votes

it should flat out just be 60% q cdr reduction when hitting a champion and no reduction when hitting a minion

its lame to see her pushed to the enemies turret and she gets ganked but just because she q near minions she gets to use it again later

Ver DanielleFeb 6, 20164 votes

Make her Q not target unseen AND stealthed champions. Make her Riposte not shoot its projectile if she doesn't parry anything originating from champion (including AA/dot ticks/pet damage)

TyroneWatermelonFeb 6, 20163 votes

Jack of all trades champ. Broken Q that costs no mana,it shouldn't prioritize champions. What's the point of trying to fight her,if you do she will dash around you to proc all of her passive. If you run away,you just run get free damage. Not even talking about how she is the 2nd easiest melee champ in the game

Weiner the PoohFeb 6, 20162 votes

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Jack of all trades champ. Broken Q that costs no mana,it shouldn't prioritize champions. What's the point of trying to fight her,if you do she will dash around you to proc all of her passive. If you run away,you just run get free damage. Not even talking about how she is the 2nd easiest melee champ in the game

hmm, her main damage ability should hit champions? theres a reason everyone laughs at the boards balance ideas. Her Q is supposed to make procing her ult possible. Without it itd literally be impossible.

TyroneWatermelonFeb 6, 20162 votes

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hmm, her main damage ability should hit champions? theres a reason everyone laughs at the boards balance ideas. Her Q is supposed to make procing her ult possible. Without it itd literally be impossible.

auto proc q through minions,and its easy to proc her passive. its called right click.

Kuronok2Feb 6, 20162 votes

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Jack of all trades champ. Broken Q that costs no mana,it shouldn't prioritize champions. What's the point of trying to fight her,if you do she will dash around you to proc all of her passive. If you run away,you just run get free damage. Not even talking about how she is the 2nd easiest melee champ in the game

Try to play with her against competent players and come back to tell if she is truly that easy to play.

J EpsteinFeb 6, 20163 votes

you had me at mana costs

LaoBushidoFeb 6, 20162 votes

I think meddler said fiora changes will happen soontm

Edit :Nope it was surfy

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Yes, expect some balance stuff to fiora soontm.

MhihnjFeb 6, 20161 votes

Hey, riot did you know that Fiora easily beats Lee in a 1v1.

EvilRabbittFeb 6, 20161 votes

So Lee can be beaten.

IntakiNineFeb 6, 20162 votes

The only ability she can spam is Q. If she uses all three regular abilities she'll go oom pretty quick.

1st MovementFeb 6, 20161 votes

Same as much as I'm good mechcanically I can't win vs a fiora in trades as vlad

Best method: group and let her split push all she wants or ask jungler for l help ^^^

Kuronok2Feb 6, 20164 votes

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Same as much as I'm good mechcanically I can't win vs a fiora in trades as vlad

Best method: group and let her split push all she wants or ask jungler for l help ^^^

Mechcanically? With Vlad? You just press buttons and win if the opponent have less damage than you, but since Fiora can deal more damage she is able to win.

1st MovementFeb 6, 20163 votes

No you don't you have to know when to trade and when to play passive

Any champion can be played by pressing buttons ??

Kuronok2Feb 6, 20162 votes

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No you don't you have to know when to trade and when to play passive

Any champion can be played by pressing buttons ??

Know when to trade and stuff is pure knowledge and has nothing to do with mechanical skill.

Yeah the second part was dumb. What i mean is that Vlad damage is all unavoidable, you just press your buttons and the enemy takes damage. The only thing you need to think is who will take more damage with the trade you or the opponent, you don't even need to think you are going to hit or miss anything.

WoonStruckFeb 6, 20164 votes

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Know when to trade and stuff is pure knowledge and has nothing to do with mechanical skill.

Yeah the second part was dumb. What i mean is that Vlad damage is all unavoidable, you just press your buttons and the enemy takes damage. The only thing you need to think is who will take more damage with the trade you or the opponent, you don't even need to think you are going to hit or miss anything.

Reliably landing EQ safely at max range as vlad takes more skill than proccing vitals. Sorry to burst your bubble. Neither are all that hard, though.

What of Fiora's damage is realistically avoidable as Vlad, outside of Riposte? 90% of her damage is procced by auto attacks.

Edit: To add to that, because vitals and her Q are essentially almost always up and the mana investment is so low, its never a bad idea to try to force a trade.

1st MovementFeb 6, 20161 votes

Ty man :)

DeloricVIFeb 6, 20161 votes

At first I liked the concept behind Fiora's rework. Before, she was all autos and just did straight damage, with a BS ult that makes her totally untouchable while she smashes your face in. I thought this change to her parry and focus in her kit would be good and make counter play. What went wrong? Infinitesimal mana costs, minuscule cooldowns, and a very forgiving window of time to become immune to damage and cc. Her ult is also very tacked on and just doesn't fit with the theme. Yeah, you have to dance around them like an idiot (or fencer... but if you watch fencing this makes no sense) and hit them from different angles, or you can hit them once and beat the shit out of them, and still get the heal.

Seriously, does anyone else think the window on her parry seem way too forgiving, and her ult is just tacked on because they couldn't think of something? Because that's how it comes across to me.

Weiner the PoohFeb 6, 20162 votes

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At first I liked the concept behind Fiora's rework. Before, she was all autos and just did straight damage, with a BS ult that makes her totally untouchable while she smashes your face in. I thought this change to her parry and focus in her kit would be good and make counter play. What went wrong? Infinitesimal mana costs, minuscule cooldowns, and a very forgiving window of time to become immune to damage and cc. Her ult is also very tacked on and just doesn't fit with the theme. Yeah, you have to dance around them like an idiot (or fencer... but if you watch fencing this makes no sense) and hit them from different angles, or you can hit them once and beat the shit out of them, and still get the heal.

Seriously, does anyone else think the window on her parry seem way too forgiving, and her ult is just tacked on because they couldn't think of something? Because that's how it comes across to me.

Too forgiving? It's .75 seconds for reference Nocs and Sivirs spell shields are double that.

DeloricVIFeb 7, 20161 votes

Yes, but she's essentially got Zhonia's during that time. She doesn't just have a spell shield; she doesn't take any damage at all, and if you land it right it's a slow. If you get hit with hard cc before it's over, that turns into a stun. But why would you bother waiting for someone to hard CC you, when you can just spam it whenever possible? Also, their spell shields only block one ability, hers blocks all of them, if you happen to be getting ganked or be against a particularly bad combo champion that somehow doesn't know what fiora's riposte is. Granted, their cooldowns are lower than Fiora's. They both have a bonus when landed, but so does Fiora, especially if you bait out some hard cc. In fact, you still slow if you don't time riposte correctly, so who cares?

Also, .75 second doesn't seem like a lot, but think about being stunned for almost a full second. A lot of these small amounts of time are a lot more than you'd think in a fight.

LOL SpammerFeb 6, 20161 votes

Pretty much pick or ban in almost all elos. I think a little nerf is warranted.

KidSpectreFeb 6, 20161 votes

Am I the only one that uses Fiora's Q to CS better? >.>

aperson1Feb 6, 20161 votes

I think her base true damage on her passive needs to be tuned down a lot. She'd be much less obnoxious to deal with if she built squishy but as is she's able to use tank items really well due to her high bases (probably a relic of her old kit) which shores up her weakness, reminds me of tank Katarina . If she's still OP after that she can lose the AS slow on W I suppose.