Karma is a tank/top laner now?

HP Crookshanks·9/28/2019, 2:55:07 AM·9 votes·7,430 views

Thanks to unneeded and ridiculous nerf to her Q's AP ratio, she has the lowest AP ratios out of all mages. Even support champions have better AP ratios than her. So are we supposed to build her tank now? Because there is no reason to play her AP when she's hugely outclassed by other utility mages now. Lux Morgana Orianna

29 Comments

Ragnaveil9/28/2019, 3:15:57 AM11 votes

Riot kinda did the wrong thing. What they should have done was lower the base damage on the ability, and slightly increase the AP ratio. That way she cant go tank, but at the same time it doesnt affect her mid or support a whole bunch.

jocomotion9/28/2019, 1:39:17 PM7 votes

Y’know now she reminds me a lot of Maokai. Ones just ranged and a kiter while the other’s melee and has more CC

% health heal on a short cooldown % high base damage Terrible AP scaling save one spell (Karma W and Mao E) Point and click root Teamfight rush tactics Crippling AOE slow

So uh yeah... great job making her like one of the most definite tank champions in the game I guess.

alekzu9/28/2019, 11:41:32 AM6 votes

Her RQ ap ratio was also nerfed from 60% to 40%, just not stated on patch notes.

Soul Dealer9/28/2019, 3:05:33 AM6 votes

The issue is that her q was one shorting people including tanks. She needed nerfs for a while now.

KiwiFlavor Ziggs9/28/2019, 12:33:23 PM5 votes

The excuse was to nerf her top lane viability mostly, so she's not such a versatile pro pick. In case they needed to know - Q damage ratio is not how you do that. If anything nerf the W... nerfing the Q (main and pretty much only source of damage) by a whole 20% guts her entirely in ALL roles, MAINLY support and mid, because thats what makes her shine. Why support karma now, for a shield - Janna has that beat, and now Janna does more damage than her too lol... Gutted for no reason

Also - They nerfed her because she was a flex pick. Her winrate is average pro and normal, and she isn't even that strong nor the biggest playmaker. She was solely nerfed because champ select.. lmfao...

JustDonnyy9/28/2019, 7:52:13 AM5 votes

Sadly Karma was having too much fun Mid-lane so Daddy Riot took her toys away. Now she can't even support decently anymore because any other mage would be a better pick. I pray that this change either be reversed or changed in the future.

Naon9/28/2019, 8:18:38 AM4 votes

Riot is pretty much giving her the kayle treatment. She isn't allowed to play anywhere so here we go awaiting her rework (again)

I Like Teemo9/28/2019, 3:15:44 AM4 votes

typically mages build ap... karma is to riots expectation not a mage, but a support.. they expect people to build utility items. item 3190 item 3107 item 3174 you know support stuff not item 3285 item 3089 item 3165 supports dont need to worry about scaling in pro play, the games are almost usually over before a support will see 5 items

(and before you say "this patch affects us too" yes while it does this is the patch they will be playing on at worlds so dont expect to see any mage karmas at worlds, maybe next patch they might undo it but this is how riot is setting the meta in stone for worlds)

LightswornLance9/28/2019, 12:52:12 PM4 votes

Death to all ranged toplane players.

Ariel the Cruel9/28/2019, 12:56:51 PM4 votes

Haven't played rift in probably 2 years (League in about 1 - came back to try tft), but wasn't tank Skarma already a thing thanks to the %heal on tether?

EternalDominate9/28/2019, 2:16:35 PM3 votes

You wanna talk about sylas 3 lane flex? What about karma 4 lane flex, she can literally play top, mid, APC, support. Crazy enough support is her least played role in pro play. She is absolutely the most annoying thing in top lane in both soloque and proplay. I remember about a month ago when the entire audience booed when karma was picked.

Keiaga9/28/2019, 3:01:31 AM2 votes

Well, she was a support mage to begin with but yea I get your point. she doesn't fit in anywhere except maybe an off-tank with her empowered heals and her shield. She'd probably be really good with Shojin too.

SiG DxD9/28/2019, 10:50:46 PM1 votes

now ? she was for dozens of patches there to abuse melee champions with her opressive cc and healing from W

it was just a pain to play against a bruiser or tank karma