People kept asking for Lee Sin nerfs...

waiting for WoW·Jul 27, 2017·2 votes·483 views

Only to watch him get phased out and replaced by tank junglers

Heh funny how things work out huh? He is in the bottom 3-4 junglers as far as win rate is concerned.

32 Comments

GlîtchyJul 27, 20174 votes

I think Lee Sin should be lacking SOMEWHERE instead of nowhere, great mobility, great defenses, great offense, explain where this is fair.

I think he shouldn't be able to tank that well if he gets so much mobility.

Morgy MorgyJul 27, 20171 votes

he's got a bunch of tools but he just falls off late game

DoktorKaiserJul 27, 20171 votes

He did some time ago, I kind of feel that in season 6 and season 7 literally nobody falls off late game.

LethalTempo JhinJul 27, 20171 votes

When item 3193 exists, you are always going to be somehow relevant lategame as Lee. Lee doesn't need lategame damage anyway when he can do his jumping thing and kick a squishy towards his team.

EndlessSorcererJul 27, 20172 votes

He was nerfed before that happened and managed to maintain a 30%+ pick rate in the patches leading up to 7.15.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 27, 20172 votes

he was at 47% win rate for over a month

patch 7.10 47.68% win rate patch 7.11 48.02% win rate patch 7.12 47.65% win rate patch 7.13 47.20% win rate patch 7.14 46.89% win rate

yet people kept crying over him

DoktorKaiserJul 27, 20172 votes

When idiots and incompetent bronzies spam him that kind of drops his rate. Doesn't make him any less obnoxious, annoying or broken in skilled hands.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 27, 20171 votes

Lee Sin has a win rate 46.33% for Diamond+ players whilst the very best Lee Sin's are earning a win rate of 56.89% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond I.

LoLalytics ranks Lee Sin at 94 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Gold.

This ranking takes into account the win rate of Diamond+ players, the pick/ban influence of Lee Sin, the win rate and average rank of the best Lee Sin players.

this is taken DIAMOND + only...

the previous comment was PLAT +

so what about bronze bring his win rate down ?

EndlessSorcererJul 27, 20172 votes

He was also above 30% pick rate for the whole duration (even after his nerfs).

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 27, 20172 votes

people play champs they like ...

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 27, 20171 votes

LeeSin Bans : 399 Picks : 819 Presence : 48.7% Win rate : 399W - 420L

48.7 % KDA : 3.0 CS/min : 4.3 DPM : 231

this is for all of pro play this season

http://www.gamesoflegends.com/champion/stats.php?id=47&season=S7&split=ALL

still sat below 49% win rate in pro play

ChargeItDownMidJul 27, 20172 votes

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oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 27, 20171 votes

lol we are talking about the very best vs the very best therefore no bad players making his win rate bad argument is invalid and he still even with the double the amount of picks then bans he sat at a 48.7% win rate...

so not only does he have a low win rate in pro, he has had a low win rate for the last 5 patches average win rate of 47.48% for plat + the very best players (PROFESSIONAL JUNGLERS) only won 1.22% higher rate then the average player in the average game

so this notion he is broken has been broken this season is a joke

ChargeItDownMidJul 27, 20172 votes

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oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 27, 20171 votes

PICK AND BAN RATE IS INCLUDED IN THE STATS

I GUESS YOU WANT TO IGNORE THAT AS WELL TO MAKE YOUR ARGUMENT

ChargeItDownMidJul 27, 20172 votes

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oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 27, 20171 votes

no they arent... i posted the stats of games picked/banned win rate, kda etc

they are all there ...

he was picked 819 times banned 399 times

so he was picked twice as often as he was banned ... and still had a sub 49% win rate..

ChargeItDownMidJul 27, 20171 votes

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oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 27, 20171 votes

well that can be said of most champs in pro play

cuz they arent gonna pick trash tier champs like hmm tf jungle cuz its not optimal.

and yes with his early ganks and easy clear and mobility he can do well early and snowball a lane... but if he dont do that he gets outscaled, falls of hard and has really nothing to offer a team.

did lee use to be over powered? yea, but part of that was meta shifts that put other champs in jungle in a bad spot due to jungle changes etc , did he abuse the krug start cheese ? yes but its been a while since those days...

these nerfs he kept getting that people cried werent enough really hurt him at the pro level...

and i have provided stats from plat + for 5 patches

stats from diamond elo only ( ya know the "good " players of league )

and from all pro games his win rate is still a constantly sub 49 %

the way his kit is cuz he is fun and challenging to play people will always try to learn and play him to "prove their skill" (in non pro play) people wanna make flashy plays and look cool cuz ITS FUN

if you dislike him thats fine.. you are welcome to hate the champ ban it... but for a while now he isnt worth picking/nor banning cuz there is so many champs in the role that are better and other champs in the game that are more worthy of picking/banning

so he isnt broken he isnt overpowered if anything currently he is dare i say BALANCED

ChargeItDownMidJul 27, 20171 votes

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oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 27, 20171 votes

lets take alook at another jungler for comparison ( i mean why the hell not) Elise Bans : 879 Picks : 687 Presence : 62.7% Win rate : 367W - 320L

53.4 % KDA : 2.8 CS/min : 4.3 DPM : 320

she has more picks and bans, by 348 times , her presence is 14% higher then lee sin her win rate is 4.7% higher

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 27, 20171 votes

so what champ in pro play is gonna be consider not broken?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 27, 20171 votes

that is a blanket argument that basically states any champ worthy of a pro pick is broken

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 27, 20171 votes

thoughts on rengar? good bad? trash?

SalronJul 27, 20171 votes

So? Lee has never dipped below 20% popularity http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/leesin And it never will unless he's unplayable because he's extremely fun

Just JangleJul 27, 20171 votes

Good, fuck Lee Sin.

Scary DoorJul 27, 20171 votes

Heh funny how things work out huh? He is in the bottom 3-4 junglers as far as win rate is concerned.

Actually his win rate has almost always been below 50% for the 6 years I've played. His win rate is mediocre but his playrate is in the top ten, ALWAYS. He's extremely mobile, very forgiving if you position poorly and has a point-and-click ult (on a relatively short cooldown) that has 2.0 AD scaling.

There has never been a time in this game where Lee wasn't in a good spot (maybe he wasn't always the best but he has always been a top tier or nearly top tier jungler).