@Riot, when you nerf Zoe... (and i agree that she needs nerfs)

koshkyra·Nov 26, 2017·7 votes·4,851 views

Don't touch her E range.

This is the most skillful and funnest part of her kit.

The only reason her E feels op in the first place is BECAUSE OF HOW INCREDIBLY BUSTED HER Q IS WHEN COMBINED WITH IT.

Oh, you got hit by an E from across the map? Now Zoe does 300-1500+ damage with her Q (depending on level and items) and you get oneshot!

Oh, you nerfed Zoe's E range? No worries. Her q will still do 300-1500+ damage!

Oh, you nerfed Zoe's Q? Now she keeps the skillful part of her kit and cant oneshot you unfairly anymore!

Personally I want Zoe's Q and W nerfed (her W is just toxic to play against and ridiculously based off RNG).

15 Comments

AzadetheNov 26, 201710 votes

Let me put it this way.

If Zoe gets nerfed in damage, she's going to need lower cooldowns, more HP, and more armor. She simply can't exist on the rift with her current configurations if she gets a damage nerf. Her damage isn't actually overcapping kills, and in fact most of the time falls short of kills (she doesn't pull 25/0 or 30/0 games like other champs do). And, in exchange for that damage, she's dying an aweful lot. She also doesn't get a chance for a second combo after she fails to kill with the first. The fight's over by then.

Wolf0915C5Nov 28, 20171 votes

That's the point dude. Zoe is literally a monster when poke and single kills. However, she is damn weak in teamfight and if some assasins get to her, she will probabbly die in moment. But while playing her, I still think she needs a bit nerf on her q cuz the snowball is so toxic.

Hexs FortuneNov 28, 20175 votes

E needs reliability nerfs.

If they arent aren't going change its incredible range, then they should look into lowering missle speed and some kind of warning indicator.

Another way to lower its reliability would be to increase the start up time or give it a minimum range.

I believe Zoe E to be a bigger problem than her Q burst.

The DeckownerNov 26, 20174 votes

Her E doesn't express skill at all, it literally rewards you for missing it.

Tausif2002Nov 26, 20171 votes

Not every ability needs to express skill to be balanced

The DeckownerNov 26, 20172 votes

This is the most skillful and funnest part of her kit.

from op.

Tausif2002Nov 26, 20171 votes

Oh that. It expresses skill by landing it through walls onto enemies, if it misses its a "no go zone" any average zoe can throw an e through a wall and miss, but an actual good zoe can position the trap so the enemy cant back up unless they want to die. it's not flashy but it does indeed show skill one way or the other.

Story For GloryDec 17, 20174 votes

They should never have made Zoe to be honest.

Creating a champion where a damage outburst that puts Zed to shame with only 2 low cooldown abilities is just the recipe for disaster.

She was never made to be balanced, she will be Aurelion. Either broken or too weak. But what is there to expect from the jackass that made Yasuo when he made Zoe?

EvenNov 26, 20173 votes

Make her e cleanse/mikaels-able

Make her e cd shorter

Make her q damage lower

VesemirNov 30, 20171 votes

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Make her e cleanse/mikaels-able

Make her e cd shorter

Make her q damage lower

Make her E cd longer, Reduce E's hitbox. Reduce the sleep time. Keep her Q dmg the same.

EvenDec 1, 20171 votes

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Make her E cd longer, Reduce E's hitbox. Reduce the sleep time. Keep her Q dmg the same.

o lol i accidentally said shorter

Owenlee12345Nov 30, 20173 votes

Riot tried to make something "interesting" but instead they made a disease that in my own statement is a obnoxious one-trick, and is a champion you have to destroy all your pride to play, and is equally as cheap and annoying as Talon, Rengar and Kha'Zix, those 3 were champions I have hated over the years of playing, Rengar and Talon got even worse when they buffed both of them, and now I hate this champion, who's only been released for 2-3 weeks.

BaksirusNov 28, 20172 votes

Remove this champ for %%%%philes!!! how da fuck u can play against champ who can kill u with 2 qs...

Trap7xDec 26, 20171 votes

Her E is a low vis hard cc that gets extended range through walls so it can be fired from fog, it has an absurdly high projectile speed and if you miss it, who cares cuz it sits on the ground and creates a massive zone ..... at least make it travel at morg bind speed with a dark animation so dodging it is a reaction and not a lucky guess. her spelltheif ability it clearly nonsense with lvl BS but that E is way to strong for its CD.