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"No she's balanced." "She's simply one of the best designed champions in the game." "Her moves are so telegraphed." "Pros can make anything work because they're pros."
I get that she's not the best solo queue mid right now but c'mon the evidence is right there in front of you guys.
Kal Vas Flam10 votesOri does what good mages should do though, provide a little utility while laying down some heavy burst damage. As long as it takes some set up I'm usually OK with that. Ori has her ball she has to set up, Syndra has to position her balls as well, Veig has stacks to build, Brand has a skill shot stun that he really needs to land for the rest of his combo to go well, Azir has his soldiers, Lux has to land multiple skill shots... It's when champs like Victor or Annie can just wipe a fool without any prep and on-demand that I start getting a little annoyed with strong mages. In most cases a slight damage nerf is enough to level things out, I don't know if Ori needs one or not though.
Sadistic Veigar3 votesa LITTLE utility? you're talking about ori, correct?
An Undead brat3 votesWhat?
Did you really just compared Orianna's and Azir's micro management to Brand's "stun skillshot"?
Did you really just say that Veigar "needs to stack up", but Viktor just facerolls?
Did you really just say Lux needs to land MULTIPLE skillshots?
AND PEOPLE UPLOADED IT?
waiting for WoW7 votesJust because a champion had their competition nerfed does not suddenly make them broken. What kind of logic is that?
Orianna hasn't been changed in a long time, so what suddenly makes her so broken? Oh why because Ahri, Syndra, and LeBlanc have all been nerfed?
The most contested mage this patch is Taliyah if anything.
Revali9 votesWhen others step down, another steps up to be the strongest, it's always how the cycle has been.
AirKingNeo2 votesYet, if they're overpowered in some kind of way, then we have what one man calls "shit mountain". A mountain of shitty imbalance where if you take off the most broken, the things below it are still overbearing.
Rock MD3 votesJust because a champion had their competition nerfed does not suddenly make them broken. What kind of logic is that?
Orianna hasn't been changed in a long time, so what suddenly makes her so broken? Oh why because Ahri, Syndra, and LeBlanc have all been >nerfed?
The most contested mage this patch is Taliyah if anything.
Yes it does. If you're a clear cut above all the rest you are relatively overpowered and something needs to be done, whether that means nerfing her or buffing everyone else.
Let's say you're right that everyone else got nerfed. If that's the case why has she been seeing consistent play since S6 worlds? She's been there for Ekko and FIzz being good, as well as a variety of mages.
LB isn't played because she got nerfed. She isn't played because competitively she's literally ban or you're a moron.
No. The most contested mage this patch would probably be Syndra followed by Ori.
Chaos Milk Tea3 votesOnly good mage left is not the same as over powered. If you have five workers and break four of their legs it doesn't give the fifth one super strength. He's just the only one that can carry the load. Now that may just be a bad choice of words, but calling a champion overpowered carries certain implications like insurmountable strengths or toxic gameplay patterns.
Troll for Trump2 votesJust because a champion had their competition nerfed does not suddenly make them broken. What kind of logic is that?
The same logic leading to all these "Draven is broken, Rito nerf" threads
DoktorKaiser1 votesI think he got hard buffed by 
honestly, he was perfectly fine before that.
Paroe3 votesJust because a champion had their competition nerfed does not suddenly make them broken. What kind of logic is that?
Orianna hasn't been changed in a long time, so what suddenly makes her so broken? Oh why because Ahri, Syndra, and LeBlanc have all been nerfed?
The most contested mage this patch is Taliyah if anything.
Tristana had the same problem. Malzahar had the same problem. Swain had the same problem. Ashe had the same problem.
Even if something has been balanced and unchanged for a long time, that doesnt mean it isnt powerful. Orianna and lee-sin are two of the most powerful champions in the game. In pro play they were just overshadowed for a very long time due to the meta.
sobi9991 votesJust because a champion had their competition nerfed does not suddenly make them broken. What kind of logic is that?
Orianna hasn't been changed in a long time, so what suddenly makes her so broken? Oh why because Ahri, Syndra, and LeBlanc have all been nerfed?
The most contested mage this patch is Taliyah if anything.
Yes if a champ's competition is nerfed then that champ is most likely going to be strong if not broken. Its a very simple and basic logic of this game.
Lady Hammerlock1 votesJust because a champion had their competition nerfed does not suddenly make them broken. What kind of logic is that?
Orianna hasn't been changed in a long time, so what suddenly makes her so broken? Oh why because Ahri, Syndra, and LeBlanc have all been nerfed?
The most contested mage this patch is Taliyah if anything.
Because of this logic if Orianna is countered by X champion, it'll inhibit her in the game if they are in it. It will mean she has to adapt her play style and other things.
If X counters are not as strong, then Orianna, a champion which could potentially have been strong but was never due to counters, is strong.
That's like saying that lethality nerfs that indirectly effected assassins didn't make Crit ADC's stronger. It's because they are allowed to be strong rather than be hindered.
Although in my honest opinion, Orianna would not fit this because in practice, she has no real "counter" say per say.
Anidan5 votesOri isn't broken and she is well-designed. That doesn't mean she can't be too strong though. This is like saying Sion is broken after a patch where he's strong. Orianna is strong, not broken. Please learn the difference.
Rock MD7 votesOri isn't broken and she is well-designed. That doesn't mean she can't be too strong though. This is like saying Sion is broken after a patch where he's strong. Orianna is strong, not broken. Please learn the difference.
You're arguing a really awful case of semantics, especially since I never said once that she's broken.
I simply pointed out the extreme cases of bias that people are showing.
You're doing it right now.
Anidan4 votesAnd you're not? You look like you're taking Orianna out of any sensible context. People have already pointed out that her competition was nerfed and she remained untouched, what else is going to happen? They stay where they were before in terms of relative power? That's not mathematically possible, so she rises. When she's at the top with little changes to her then it's not a problem with kits (like you implied by saying her abilities aren't telegraphed and she's not one of the best designed heroes in the game), or with her own power ("No she's balanced") or even skill ("Pros can make anything work because they're pros") it's because everything around her was hit.
This happened before, it's happening now, and it'll happen in the future. Orianna's design is perfectly fine, but if everyone around her is going to get hit then she might need hit too if you want her to be in line with everyone else. Or alternatively, you could bring other people up to compete with her again. I hear Taliyah is competitive with her in competitve, as is LeBlanc, and I'm seeing some Cass come out every so often as well.
Rock MD4 votesAnd you're not? You look like you're taking Orianna out of any sensible context. People have already pointed out that her competition was nerfed and she remained untouched, what else is going to happen? They stay where they were before in terms of relative power? That's not mathematically possible, so she rises. When she's at the top with little changes to her then it's not a problem with kits (like you implied by saying her abilities aren't telegraphed and she's not one of the best designed heroes in the game), or with her own power ("No she's balanced") or even skill ("Pros can make anything work because they're pros") it's because everything around her was hit.
This happened before, it's happening now, and it'll happen in the future. Orianna's design is perfectly fine, but if everyone around her is going to get hit then she might need hit too if you want her to be in line with everyone else. Or alternatively, you could bring other people up to compete with her again. I hear Taliyah is competitive with her in competitve, as is LeBlanc, and I'm seeing some Cass come out every so often as well.
I didn't take anything out of "sensible" context I posted highlights of what gameplay has said so far in response to her being strong with the only connection being how far people will go to defend her.
If you assumed I meant that I thought she was broken, her abilities were impossible to see, and that literally anyone can make her work that's on you.
The only thing I've actually said is that, she's good, people need to stop defending her, and something needs to be done.
MetalGearTeemu4 votesOri's been picked at every worlds since her creation, this isn't a surprise.
Pater Gascoigne2 votesI don't often play mid, but when I am it's mostly against Orianna. Her Q+W is an insane zoning tool and she can easily last hit with her passive. But the worst offender has to be her ultimate. Post 6 you have to play super careful because one mistake means she all-ins you from a save distant. She wasn't like this previously, it's mostly the item and masteries changes that made her so strong. I remember having huge mana problems with Orianna back in the days, but nowadays you're all set if you just get a Morellonomicon.
I still think she is one of the best designed champions in the game, though she could use some numbers nerfs. (especially R CD)
Stars Shaper2 votesI believe that ppl need to differentiate "strong" from "too strong".
Orianna by design is reliant on teamwork to make plays or really outposition the enemy, I've never played her but I've faced her enough to build up an opinion and what I do believe is that she deserves to be strong if played well.
Sir Fuzzi2 votesGameplay still says self-healing is an overpowered mechanic. There are people who deadpan and fall into silence when told about Grievous Wounds. There are people who build Lord Dominik's and complain about Vlad. We had a thread where somebody was mad that Katarina with a Triforce wasn't doing good damage against Galio. The guy who was mad about Vlad using his ult, then both summoners, his Hextech, and QWE to kill a Cassiopeia, saying he was too strong if he could do that. I mean, people on Gameplay say a lot of things and there is insane bandwagoning. You hang around enough, you'll see a lot of everything-- and if you want to pick it out of the mess, you'll find a lot of 'evidence.'
They're just white noise. If Riot deemed her necessary for a response, she'd get one. When Boards are right, it tends to be outside of gameplay. Anyone can post-- even me! I'm just some asshole!
Orianna's seeing more play. As a result, I'm better learning how to deal with her-- every time I bite the dust to her, I recognize what I did wrong against her and how to better avoid it next time. That's my personal experience. I've never had to deal with her quite so much, but she diiiid just get a sick new skin.
This is the same as people who think Nid's spears are OP. Looking around, I see Yi coming up a lot too-- is he the new hotly contested fotm, or are people who get stomped by Yi coming to Boards more?
We don't have evidence of anything. We just have a bunch of opinions. And really, do we have that many? Even this thread's already got a variety of arguments and debates.
TBH, the reason Ori probably feels good is A) her competition got nerfed and B) now she's relevant in a meta where TLD is pretty much the most relevant keystone. People will learn her combo is the result of most of her damage, learn how to run about the ball, and that's that. Fizz or Ekko will get popular again.
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SexyBabyJesusZ1 votesshes cool and all but she shouldnt do as much damage as she does currently, her ult is really powerful and with the damage it dishes out its just way too much to deal with.
Chaos Milk Tea1 votesEh, feels like flavor of the month. She hasn't changed recently and I don't think the meta favors her. Even when someone snatches the pick from me they don't seem to know what they are doing.
PePsiLemoNN1 votesHurr durr she was fine 5 months ago why is she suddenly op wow this bandwagon gameplay gg l2p
DoktorKaiser1 votesShe is the perfect LCS champion because if played properly (which pros will do) she cant be fucked by almost any broken champion in the game. That is why she was picked in literally every worlds and every smaller tournament ever. Only problem is that now everyone else is nerfed so she is kind of creeping to top 3 contested picks, but dont forget that she is only picked every game because there is no room to ban her, they have to ban other shit like 
I didnt see people complain this much when she actually was op and actually got nerfed (the only time ever) back in season 3 with her and 
being perma ban/pick at summer LCS and Worlds. She is slowly creeping back to that level, but nothing too extreme, just needs a couple of mana nerfs early game or should I say reverts since she got mana buffs which pushed her into competitive immediately (along with LeCancer getting nerfed because she would shit on Ori as usual).
Sorry but I will downvote because your post makes it seem like you claim she is broken and needs nerfs to her mechanics rather than her being good at the meta and needing minor nerfs to her numbers, and that her mains are pathetically trying to defend their freelo, well sorry but we are not Lee Sin or Yasuo mains, our main is actually well design if not the best in the game (which is why most of us main her I imagine) so we arent just mindlessly trying to hide the problem - there is no problem!!
TheFlameofOath1 votesI disagree. According to https://na.op.gg/champion/orianna/statistics/mid, Orianna currently has a decent win/loss rate of 49.52. Sure, it may not the best rate but it is only .48% below 50 to 50. According to the graphs, her win rate has raised over these past few patches. In my own view, her ult is very powerful mid-late game and she can easily pick off an ADC or other champions with low health