Adaptive Helmet is singlehandely removing dps-champs from the game.

Canastus·5/5/2017, 12:27:54 PM·5 votes·3,007 views

I'm talking about dps mages like Cass, Ryze and Karthus whose original purpose it was to counter tanks. You didn't pick these champs to simply kill squishies, burst-mages already fullfilled that role while also being far quicker at doing so. By denying dps-mages their only niché you're essentially destroying their purpose in the game.

You bully them out of their only niché with everyone and their grandmother building that item now - may it be the top laner, the jungler or even the support. Now add the new Gargoyle Stoneplate to the mix and you have an unkillable wall of flesh in front of you.

Let me give you an example from an ONE HOUR GAME as a full build Cass up against a typical abuser of these items.

Cassiopeia item 3040 item 3157 item 3165 item 3135 item 3151 item 3089 vs Gnar item 3111 item 3022 item 3193 item 3194 item 3065 item 3053

The Gnar flatout wouldn't die, no matter how much cc and poison he ate. What exactly is Cass supposed to do in such a case? This is completely ridiculous. Just stacking these two items singlehandely removes dps-mages from the game in terms of effectiveness.

You seriously can't expect this to be healthy in any way, there needs to be some item nerfs or compensation buffs for the affected champs.

38 Comments

Gibberwatt5/5/2017, 12:36:06 PM6 votes

the only armor gnar has is from his stoneplate (40-80). Otherwise, he is just stacking health/mr, which any competant ADC will take complete advantage of. Maybe these items were added to make it so that a tank can build against both a dps adc and apc, instead of just one while letting the other gut them.

ThePikol5/5/2017, 12:40:59 PM2 votes

Cass like Cass, she has 3 spells + R to deal dmg but what about Singed ?

Funkin Dunkin5/5/2017, 12:39:34 PM2 votes

item 3194 only really affects item 3151 BrandSinged Cassiopeia Fiddlesticks Heimerdinger Katarina Rumble Shaco Zyra.

Other than that, it won't affect any single other champion that doesn't have DOT or a skill that can be casted under 4 seconds. And now that banshee's belongs to the mages, it should be easier for you guys to kill tanks. Our new....."new" MR items suck in comparison to other patches. And what tank other than Zac Nautilus Maokai would ever use item 3001. Legit you want to talk about a useless passive.

Velociraptured5/5/2017, 12:32:42 PM2 votes

I think the new stoneplate sucks on most champions. I don't think you're taking into account the amount of reduced damage Gnar is going to deal during it's active, how it doesn't add any hp, and without 2 other champs around, it's basically a strong cloth armor and null mantle. Also you're presuming that Gnar enters the fight vs Cass with these items already. Did the beginning of the game not happen? Did gnar never get ganked and got super fed somehow? Was Cass super behind and just unable to get strong enough to deal damage and roam and help other lanes with her natural MS? This item is a counter to specific team comps, it doesn't 'annihilate champs from the game because it exists.' You still have to farm the gold, you still have to go back and spend the time buying the item, and if you rush it over BC then you're missing out on your core item (as Gnar.)

DeathBurst5/5/2017, 2:45:23 PM1 votes

It does not "single-handedly remove" DPS Mages more than Randuin "single-handedly remove" Crit ADC.

Blu 15/5/2017, 5:39:36 PM1 votes

Good, fuck Cassiopeia

Lucian Waifu5/5/2017, 6:49:15 PM1 votes

Ziggs disagrees

A Basic Island5/5/2017, 12:46:07 PM1 votes

wut

every champ puts out dps

DPS=Damage Per Second

this means that even supports have dps

so you're saying an MR item, is gonna kill adcs? Lol...

TyrekGoldenspear5/5/2017, 1:12:39 PM1 votes

A 15% decrease in damage is removing DPS champs from the game?

Wut? Have you considered that the reason Gnar wasn't hurt because he built the items to be stupidly tanky? All the MR and stuff he has would bring down the damage from Cass more than a 15% decrease from the same spell.

On the other hand realize that tanks and juggs were fed up with being kited to oblivion by a Cass without a way to escape or fight back.

EvilUnicornLord5/5/2017, 2:19:07 PM1 votes

Ok, revert Banshee's Veil to a tank item.

Or don't, because I like the changes for both mages and tanks.