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vayn's job in league

ggigotfed··1 votes·413 views

Vayn was created to do what. Kill tanks. No amount of armor in the game is going to stop her.

Why? Because riot, the genuis's they are. Made this one thing that counters EVERYTHING. True damage.

I have no idea who made it but I hope he's in a better place. Dota 2.

I've been playing a LOT of dota 2, and I can't find a single instance of one hero absolutely destroying the game for years without anything being done to them. Yet vayne just...still shits on people.

Vayne was created to kills tanks with her true damage, but. True damage is just flat damage YOU CAN'T BLOCK. You can have 600 armor that blocks 100% damage, and she'll still do a guarantee 400 every third hit. So what happens when she hits the squishy targets. Does it scale down? NOPE. Riot the master decision makers have decided to let it absolutely annihilate EVERYONE.

Vayne has an uncounterable attack that devastates you and building tank only prolongs the inevitable. If vayne presses ult, and you don't have annie. You are going to fucking die. It doesnt matter how much damage you think you can do. Because she will do more, and will survive anything you attempt to throw at her.

But on top of that is her invisibility. Another mechanic riot fucked up by making it incredibly hard to play against. There's only a select few champs who get this super form of stealth called invis. And vayne being the true damage massive movespeed basic bitch she is gets this. During invis you CANNOT SEE THEM. At all...with anything...

Okay that's not true, lee sin who can land a Q can maybe see her. And a TF who ults AFTER she does can. And elder buff...which spawns at late game, where nothing you do matters.

How to fix vayne? Well maybe remove true damage....but because I know you won't. Remove invis from her ult, you can give it camo just like the fucking rest. There is no reason vayne gets to remain so absurd just because you think she's the hardest champ to play. But it's true...vayne is fucking hard to pick up and even harder to master, but an average vayne who understands your ult makes you a god can easily go to diamond 3, you know...where the game actually gets hard.

Disclaimer. I don't think she's op, I think invisiblity and true damage are op. If you stapled those stats onto any other champ in the game I'd bitch about them too, no champion needs BOTH uncounterable mechanics on them. Except sona...buff sona.

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TTK Dreadnought1 votes

i did read the whole thing and while i find invisibility and true damage to be a pain and difficult to balance, these kind of mechanics are required in at least some form. My issue with vayne is that its %MAX HP true damage, not flat damage like irelia. hell, even olaf has flat true damage that scales off AD, but it also costs health to use.

in other words. 600 armor reduces physical damage by 85.7%. not 100%. Not like it matters when you can still get 3 shot late game.

ggigotfed1 votes

I was just using an absurd amount of armor as an example. I know you cant hit 100% armor but even if you could it wouldn't matter to her.

TehNACHO1 votes

Vayn was created to do what. Kill tanks.

I mean, effectively that's what all ADCs are for.

Vayne's specialty is actually her 1v1/skirmishing power imo, given that her entire kit, this isn't even a hyperbole I'm being very literal, her entire kit is single target based. Throw in a low cooldown short distance dash/invisibility that's better in micro mechanical situations like skirmishes but faaaar less effective in bigger macro plays, and her only peel/utility being really good but almost entirely only for herself, and you have a kit that destroys targets in micro ability.

Which if you accept this premise, slowly peels back the rest of your thread. For example:

Made this one thing that counters EVERYTHING. True damage.

First of all, Flat True Damage is countered by HP stacking, so this statement is straight up false. But I know what you mean, %Health True Damage. Op right, you could never build around it because it will always do the exact same amount of damage.

Ignoring that that means it's literally impossible to snowball off her True damage alone, consider how it's applied with Vayne. Actually, you can do this with other users of %Health True Damage too. Fiora can only apply it through hitting Vitals, which is limited by her melee range, her squishier than normal capabilities, and once again her high emphasis on single target damage and mostly selfish utility. Garen can only apply his %True Damage to Villains, and is counterplayed by virtue of being Garen. Vayne is like both of them in that sense, the %True Damage itself isn't counterable, but it's tacked onto gameplay patterns that can be countered. What are those gameplay patterns you may ask? Well, this goes back to my first point. She's entirely single target focused. Have multiple people engage on Vayne forces her to give up her %Health Damage or stick to attack awkwards in a much more awkward manner than other ADCs Couple this with how the only way she can apply it is around 500 range and the vast majority of Fighters and Slayers and Tanks have engage Ranges around 600 to 1500+ range and you can quickly see how "OMG IT'S UNCOUNTERABLE" is simply not true.

Invisibility

She can only be invisible for what, a second at a time? And that's if she wants to give up her DPS in that moment. She's trading offensive potential for defensive and positional potential. Otherwise if Vayne attacks right away it mitigates her already piss poor Invisibility. That's actually really good game design

And she's not Shaco. She's not going to disappear in front of you, travel 1000 units for 4 seconds and then backstab you, her dash is only 300 units long and eats up a decent bit of her 1 second of invisibility. Maybe it's super overbearing if you're a single target champion 1v1ing you, but then we get back to the first point; that's what she's supposed to be strong in. Her defense isn't actually that good in big chaotic teamfights.

Probably the funniest thing you've done is go the usual Gameplay meme route with this post. You listed her strengths and ignored her weaknesses, like come on.

ggigotfed1 votes

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I mean, effectively that's what all ADCs are for.

Vayne's specialty is actually her 1v1/skirmishing power imo, given that her entire kit, this isn't even a hyperbole I'm being very literal, her entire kit is single target based. Throw in a low cooldown short distance dash/invisibility that's better in micro mechanical situations like skirmishes but faaaar less effective in bigger macro plays, and her only peel/utility being really good but almost entirely only for herself, and you have a kit that destroys targets in micro ability.

Which if you accept this premise, slowly peels back the rest of your thread. For example:

First of all, Flat True Damage is countered by HP stacking, so this statement is straight up false. But I know what you mean, %Health True Damage. Op right, you could never build around it because it will always do the exact same amount of damage.

Ignoring that that means it's literally impossible to snowball off her True damage alone, consider how it's applied with Vayne. Actually, you can do this with other users of %Health True Damage too. Fiora can only apply it through hitting Vitals, which is limited by her melee range, her squishier than normal capabilities, and once again her high emphasis on single target damage and mostly selfish utility. Garen can only apply his %True Damage to Villains, and is counterplayed by virtue of being Garen. Vayne is like both of them in that sense, the %True Damage itself isn't counterable, but it's tacked onto gameplay patterns that can be countered. What are those gameplay patterns you may ask? Well, this goes back to my first point. She's entirely single target focused. Have multiple people engage on Vayne forces her to give up her %Health Damage or stick to attack awkwards in a much more awkward manner than other ADCs Couple this with how the only way she can apply it is around 500 range and the vast majority of Fighters and Slayers and Tanks have engage Ranges around 600 to 1500+ range and you can quickly see how "OMG IT'S UNCOUNTERABLE" is simply not true.

She can only be invisible for what, a second at a time? And that's if she wants to give up her DPS in that moment. She's trading offensive potential for defensive and positional potential. Otherwise if Vayne attacks right away it mitigates her already piss poor Invisibility. That's actually really good game design

And she's not Shaco. She's not going to disappear in front of you, travel 1000 units for 4 seconds and then backstab you, her dash is only 300 units long and eats up a decent bit of her 1 second of invisibility. Maybe it's super overbearing if you're a single target champion 1v1ing you, but then we get back to the first point; that's what she's supposed to be strong in. Her defense isn't actually that good in big chaotic teamfights.

Probably the funniest thing you've done is go the usual Gameplay meme route with this post. You listed her strengths and ignored her weaknesses, like come on.

let's talk about this for a moment.

She's invisible for around 2 seconds. And in league that's enough time for her to re position around your entire team. The flat true damage is countered by hp? Okay so she just never buys a bork? You know...hp shredding item? Right. Gotchu.

The problem with vayne is it all fits together on her too well, she has a massive ad and movespeed steroid along with invis to keep her safe, true damage+bork to kill tanks in a matter of seconds and crit/lethality is she's feeling cheeky to delete the rest of your team in half the time it took to kill that one tank.

And there's four other people you need to concern yourself with.

TehNACHO1 votes

She's invisible for 1 second. Don't "around 2 seconds" me, you can look this up. Even then, 2 seconds is not enough time to reposition around an entire team! And BotRK is just an extension of all of Vayne's already existing strengths and weaknesses. AND you should know that Vayne's True Damage is %based meaning that comment wasn't even targetted at Vayne. Do you even read kid?

ggigotfed1 votes

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She's invisible for 1 second. Don't "around 2 seconds" me, you can look this up. Even then, 2 seconds is not enough time to reposition around an entire team! And BotRK is just an extension of all of Vayne's already existing strengths and weaknesses. AND you should know that Vayne's True Damage is %based meaning that comment wasn't even targetted at Vayne. Do you even read kid?

1 second invisibility with massive movement speed. Yes it's enough to move around the whole fucking team BECAUSE I FUCKING DO IT ALL THE GODDAMN TIME!

Yes I was wrong about the true damage, like it even fucking matters any amount of true damage is a not okay thing.

Oh bork is an extension? Yes it is! That's what lets her do everything she does so fucking well. She synergies with the whole goddamn item.

Stop blindly defending a fucking champ that most people agree is a problem just because you love abusing her as much as possible.

TehNACHO1 votes

Stop blindly defending a fucking champ that most people agree is a problem just because you love abusing her as much as possible.

Bitch I'm a Tank/Fighter main. I have every right to complain about Vayne if we're using personal arguments. Hold yourself to a higher fucking standard than literally an ad hominem.

WukongMain1 votes

Vayne*

VeganScout1 votes

Shes my perma ban

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