Vaynes "counterplay"

ggigotfed·Dec 15, 2017·43 votes·2,978 views

Let's talk about one jackass fucking adc who's been the end all be all since, well the begging of fucking time VAYNE,

Why is kayn spelled without an E because it's be kanye west, so vayne should be vayn and for the rest of this rant I shall refer to her as such.

Vayn is notorious for having an absolutely unbeatable lategame period.

The only true "counters" to her are malz vi and like, a really good zed maybe. Since the stealth rework camo champs have remained the same but vayn and a few others have a form of super stealth called invisibility, which has NO FUCKING COUNTERPLAY WHATSOEVER!

Okay that's not true, tf can reveal her, and elder buff I think. I mean you can scan to see where she's standing but even that's not useful.

But enough of the lack of a counter play, let's get into why I have been permabanning her since the first time I ever hit ranked.

I'll be renaming all her abilities

Passive- No escape, when within 12 miles of an enemy vayn gains movespeed moving towards the enemy, Basically, if she wants you dead, you're fucking dead.

Q- Whoosh, you roll a short distance and empower your next auto, also serves as an auto empowerment, not too annoying pretty fair and alright ability, oh wait. It has next to no cooldown. Amazing.

W- GG bitches, Every third hit vayn FUCKING KILLS YOUR ENTIRE TEAM. Oh my bad that's late game, every third hit vayn does 12% of your max life as true damage...what the fuck? Who invented true damage? [Removed by moderation] ...idk what that means but whoever made it is an asshole.

E- GTFO! Vayn will shoot only what I can assume is her Pussydestroyer900withextravibrationandcumabsorbingpadstm at you and throw you clean across the fucking universe, if you collide with terrain, your asshole will be torn asunder.

R- Outplayed, vayn activates her true anime spirit and pulls the bigboy boy off her back, during the next millenia vayn is the best player in the world, she can and will 1v5 your entire team. The ult is an enourmous buff as well as changing half her kit. Her passive is now doubled. she gets some ad and move speed, and now. When she presses Q, she FUCKING TURNS INVISIBLE! Goodluck staying out of a bad position because she'll roll around for 8 seconds while invis and fucking destroy you.

Now you might be wondering "She has a weakness right?! Anime always taught me you can defeat anything!!!!"

And you're kind of right you trogladite. Vayn is countered by other uncounterable bullshit. Malz ult and vi ulz really dick her good, and so does a well placed pantheon rotation. Only, those characters DO have a form of counterplay, it's called Meaning, you can click her and she'll click you right back. Then delete you, your family, your dog, your friends, your friend's dog, and the nsa;)

The real counterplay to vayn is, FUCKING BAN HER! If someone on your team wants her, FUCK HIM! you can't risk that 9lp, the enemy MIGHT get her and you know if the enemy has vayn she'll be a challenger smurf. While yours is still studying her passive at 18 mins in the game.

Well that about summs up my hate rant for vayn, DISCLAIMER! She's not actually fucking broken, Vayn can get nuked just as easily as every other adc, maybe more since if you've ever fought her for more than 4 seconds, you can predict every move she does for 11 years. Plus, she's one of the hardest characters to play. Another meh tip to beat her is when you know she's ulted and you KNOW she's coming. Try to disengage and wait out her ult, this can most of the times be impossible seeing as she'll stun you and delete you, but if you have vision and you see her try to spook her ult out with a burst and then run the fuck away.

That's it. I hate you all

88 Comments

WoodakoodashoodaDec 15, 201719 votes

There is one thing that can best her.

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Tri Blades of the Edgelord

Hide in a bush, knowing full goddamn well the enemy CANNOT see you because you're an edgelord. Then activate your Bankai and then backline that bitch and make her die in 0.5 seconds before either

A. Getting out before anything can touch you and, let's face it, you're in Bankai so nothing can touch you unless you suck.

B. Demolish the rest of the opposition because, Bankai.

BattalionDec 16, 20173 votes

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[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

hoyohaiDec 17, 20171 votes

Nunu ult kappa

LordGeovanniDec 17, 20171 votes

jump on vayne q get insta e'ed and lifesteal crit back to full off of your meager hp

Yordle XayahDec 15, 201713 votes

Who invented true damage? Fuck that guy, I hope he gets killed by some true damage irl...

https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/28087/1.0

Troll for TrumpDec 15, 201711 votes

My issue with Vayne-like champs:

People complain a ton about huge dmg in short windows, especially assassins. The thing is, if you don't kill ADCs immediately and/or shut them down early (snowball) they end up being problematic for a lot of champs. Fighters or divers for example, won't be able to do jack. ADCs just outdamage everything else. They're weakness is supposed to be squishiness but this is mitigated in most of them through a combination of the support's peel and their own.

So you can't reliably outduel the ADC and you can't really catch them unless you are hypermobile. So what are the solutions? Quick burst and mobility from assassins or pseudo assassins It sucks for everyone else, but assassin-types of dmg (aka oneshots) are necessary to deal with the cancer of ADCs.

The one-shot nature of assassins/pseudo-assassins also happens to be extremely snowbally.

Captainn GinyuDec 15, 20179 votes

this also made me crack the fuck up pretty hard have my upvote

CC MustangDec 15, 20177 votes

Vayns passive triples not doubles when she ults

Pandemic PunchDec 15, 20176 votes

Vayne needs a mini rework or something. A major rework in my selfish opinion. The health% true damage needs to go. At least make it health% magic damage that scales with AD. SOMETHING that can be tanked if you are 20-0 and she is 0-20.

It is a miserable experience when you dominate the entire top side of the map, then the 0-20 Vayne still negates your entire purpose of existing on the map.

sutora3Dec 15, 20176 votes

you havent seen off tank ~~vayne~~vayn draintanking you while 3 shotting your adc

DuskDaUmbreonDec 15, 20174 votes

Sir. I think you mean Vayn.

General Esdeath Dec 15, 20176 votes

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get outplayed kid [vayne-pose]

Tails9016Dec 16, 20172 votes

You'd be dead after the first auto unless you're nautilus

General Esdeath Dec 16, 20172 votes

Tryndamere I hit R. Get counterplayed!

dominusxDec 16, 20174 votes

good luck hitting her in stealth

outplayed

General Esdeath Dec 16, 20173 votes

AHA PINK WAR-oh...

ggigotfedDec 15, 20175 votes

I'm not ffing, I almost have my lategame - a quote from the 0/19/0 vayn bot

Bronze 6 YasuoDec 15, 20175 votes

I saw a 3/8 vayne at 35 mins 3 shot a Darius. "Vayne is squishy" Lmao

JackMcSnipeyzDec 15, 201723 votes

How does 3 shotting a darius imply she isnt squishy? Also 35 minutes is well into late game territory. Idk what's your point

SanKakUDec 15, 20172 votes

I think his point is that Darius was squishy just because Vayne was attacking him. I disagree because I think if he took 3 shots and not 1-2 then he is too bulky to be called squishy.

notice me Sin piDec 15, 20171 votes

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I saw a 3/8 vayne at 35 mins 3 shot a Darius. "Vayne is squishy" Lmao

squishy = low defense, high offense

3 shotting a darius requires high offense. She's definitely squishy.

Votable JesterDec 15, 201710 votes

Squishy does not mean high offense. It just means low defense.

SanKakUDec 15, 20174 votes

I think you were thinking of glass cannon. Squishy means very easy to kill.

Omnem OccidoDec 15, 20175 votes

She falls under the “Stat Check” Champions. Basically, they are champions that rely on simply being stronger. Master Yi, Nocturne, Vayne, Garen, etc. are all this type. Sure, they each may have a way to play against them, but their abilities are so bland, they are either godly with no skill, or trash tier.

VesemirDec 17, 20171 votes

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She falls under the “Stat Check” Champions. Basically, they are champions that rely on simply being stronger. Master Yi, Nocturne, Vayne, Garen, etc. are all this type. Sure, they each may have a way to play against them, but their abilities are so bland, they are either godly with no skill, or trash tier.

you put vayne in the same category as Garen Noc and Yi lmao...

Scary DoorDec 15, 20174 votes

Loses lane to a Vayne

Comes to forums to complain about Vayne

Sounds about right.

ggigotfedDec 16, 20172 votes

Oh you could not be more wrong my love. I don't really adc anymore since my friends all quit playing league until the new season kicks in. And two, My complaints are not to be taken seriously! It's just ranting for entertainment. So you know.

Trundle ?

BladeSteelDec 16, 20172 votes

did you check where it was posted? lol

hoyohaiDec 17, 20171 votes

One: where is this posted? Two: Did you read the entire post?

Scary DoorDec 17, 20171 votes

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One: where is this posted?

On the Boards? On a League of Legends forum? On the Internet?

Two: Did you read the entire post?

Sure. At the end the person says (essentially), "I don't really hate Vayne, blah blah blah". Which sort of nullifies the rest of it.

hoyohaiDec 17, 20171 votes

So why are you complaining about him "complaining"?

Also this is posted in Memes and Games

HalcyonDwellerDec 16, 20173 votes

Very entertaining to read. Good mix of parody, humor, and solid analysis. 10/10 have my upvote :)

SEKAIDec 15, 20172 votes

Red trinkets should reveal stealth units if they're within the scan area and within your vision range, just outlining them doesn't stop them from having the first hit, and for champs like Vayn and Twitch, the first hit is often all they need to win almost any duel.

Control wards reveals them, sure, but limited item slots make it hard to always carry one with you, especially later on in the game.

PokladnicaZlaDec 15, 20173 votes

Isn't Vayne's R+Q invisibility,but Twitch's camouflage?

Need Gold 4 TentDec 15, 20173 votes

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Red trinkets should reveal stealth units if they're within the scan area and within your vision range, just outlining them doesn't stop them from having the first hit, and for champs like Vayn and Twitch, the first hit is often all they need to win almost any duel.

Control wards reveals them, sure, but limited item slots make it hard to always carry one with you, especially later on in the game.

Control wards do not reveal invisibility. The only surefire way to counter a Vayne is to run Klepto on a top laner and save up oracle pots kappa

On an unrelated note, I nearly maxed all of Udyr's skills one day when I landed an elixir of skill lol

NorthernRedStarDec 15, 20172 votes

Do you have any idea how well her range balances her out, especially in a meta filled with people who kill you if you venture anywhere within 600 range of them.

You're biased, there's no real argument to be had here. Vayne's not an issue. Twitch is. Miss Fortune was/is. Kha'zix is. Each of those champions kills Vayne without an issue unless she gets the drop on them via ambush.

If you don't understand the concept of effective range, play Lucian. Then try Tristana. How does the comparison feel?

HudnofskiBlehDec 15, 20173 votes

In the post he says he doesn't think she's actually broken because he knows Vaybe can be blown up easily.

I think he knows he's biased.

aLawfulFalafelDec 15, 20174 votes

its a joke, ur in the meme and games section m8

hoyohaiDec 17, 20171 votes

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its a joke, ur in the meme and games section m9

FTFY

Iffy JarlDec 15, 20172 votes

Hate when late game carries have such mobility, escape, and self peel

The IslandDec 15, 20172 votes

Vayne is pretty easy to beat.. her earlygame is hilariously weak and she has 525 range lol Pick cait and she gets 0 farm the entire game. Take her tower and let her freeze under bot inner while you take mid, dragon, herald, top, now her team is far far behind while she catches up.

ThrillØfTheHuntDec 15, 20171 votes

Vayne is easy to shit on, stop whining if u cant beat her.

ggigotfedDec 16, 20172 votes

I want you to scroll down, it's hard but bear with me, Scrooool down, all the way cmon now you can do it. Read the last paragraph cutie <3

ThrillØfTheHuntDec 16, 20171 votes

Sorry I didn't have the patience to slog through a wall of bitching.

ggigotfedDec 16, 20171 votes

Well, then you can make like a tree. And fuck right off*[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]*

VesemirDec 15, 20171 votes

You are crying about a champion that requires godlike senses, ability to think and act fast and an unsafe playstyle because she dives in. Meanwhile MissFortune Jhin Caitlyn Ezreal Jinx can be allowed to mow down your team while being peeled and protected from a safe distance.

aLawfulFalafelDec 15, 20171 votes

none of those champs are good, they are all easily countered by the most popular support atm Aatrox

ggigotfedDec 16, 20172 votes

Crying is the correct word because godlike senses are not something a vayn requires. The second she sees you all she's going to do is press R and then Q, and that's it. That's the end of the fucking fight. And don't pretend jinx cait and jhin are actually viable on anything less than diamond 3. Because they aren't and once you realize that, you will truly ascend to wood 2, where the best players are. <3

zaqatDec 17, 20171 votes

I got downvoted for saying that, maybe my server affects the popularity, I was told to get better instead of complaining about how stupid and strong some of the adcs are.

hoyohaiDec 20, 20171 votes

Did you say it in Memes and Games?