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Kindred's ultimate. What's the counterplay to it?

Horrow··1 votes·4,027 views

Its an AOE Tryn ultimate for all units in the marked zone around the target, including the target itself.

"The counterplay is that it affects the enemy units it!"

On paper that sounds like it would be counterplayer. But if you really think about it, when is this ult going to be used? When your team's DPS is at risk of dying. That means if you're winning, this ult does not need to be used. If you're losing, then the ultimate can be used and it forces the enemy team to run away or be beat to death by your team's DPS. The end result? Both teams are now at death door and now people die left and right after the duration.

What champion could break this ultimate? Karthus Karthus

Think about it. If the situation where both teams are being kept alive by Kindred's ultimate, who is going to benefit the most from every champion being next to no health? Karthus. Karthus can hold his ult until he actually dies. Then just use it should he die after Kindred's ultimate wears off and picks off the rest of the remaining team since you know, it literally targets every champion that is alive.

So basically if Kindred's team is composed of hyper carries and Karthus, what's the counter play to Kindred's team fighting? Split pushing and hope not to be caught when doing so?

Would Janna, Zyra, Nami, Anivia, and other forms of disengage be the answer?

12 Comments

LadyRenly1 votes

The counterplay is the ultimate itself if used incorrectly, I suppose.

It's still an area ability like Bard's Tempered Fate, isn't it?

NV461 votes

Yes it is but from seeing gameplay its sometimes more beneficial to the enemy team than your own. Since it heals all enemies also it seems like there should be some other benefit to using it for your team, like a snare or stun or other cc at the end of its time for enemies in the radius. Thats what's different about it than bards ult because bards ult can stop the enemy from escaping and helps your team to catch up. But kindreds ult does the opposite and can change a fight you are winning, to a loss just because their adc got healed or something. I like the idea of the aoe trynd ult, but they just need to change something, whether it be no heal for enemies or cc or something else, because as of now its just too balanced and too effective for both teams.

Desiderium1 votes

You can stay inside of it with her, or you can kick her out of it and literally make her assist the enemy team (you.)

50000000000000001 votes

You can disengage or use displacement. Or have a mage wreak some AoE havoc. DoT+Morellonomicon means they'll die when the ult runs out.

blkKalameet1 votes

Push them out of it. Gragas ult or azir work nicely

Rand0mH3r0X1 votes

Think about it this way, if it's used incorrectly, you can have the entire enemy team in one area, and right about the end of the Ult, spam AoE.

Caytheles1 votes

While we are on this topic, mind giving me thoughts on my Theory here? http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/hEcxEK72-bard-and-kindred

facemelter7101 votes

Epic combo thanks for the tip

PEYK MYAIN1 votes

Kindred's ult is the most trollish ult in the game alongside w Bards ult. Think about it this way : u have a fed enemy Tryn or Fiora w his/her ult ready to use, the enemy attacks your team mate , you try to help by ulting under the ally turret but the enemy uses his ult after u made him invulnerable and safe to tower dive plus you healed him, and probably killed you both. This ult in the wrong hands can cost you and your team the game.

Riot plz make this ult ally only cuz we have amumus ult ,so why kindreds ult cant be allly only?

CaptnJakSparrow1 votes

upon reaching 10% life, her ult actually negates healing as well. It works nicely against Mundo and other healing champs.

WarlockLaw1 votes

Certain champions can punish standing in Kindred's ult super hard. Imagine if you put down Viktor's stun field down towards the end of it, either they get out and lose the benefit of the ult or he stuns them and pops them with his e.

Alternatively champs like Gragas, Janna and Azir can push a team out of the area.

Essentially Kindred's ult is a king of the hill mini-game. Certain champions can play well with it and certain champions cannot. If you see somebody pick Kindred you should pick those that synergy well with her ult as they also counter it.

Fell Illucen1 votes

Hmm, the ult says that units are healed at the end. Wouldn't you just be able to stay in there and avoid using skills and burst down the enemies instead?

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