Zombie Ward: excellent new addition

ModKnightsKemplar··9 votes·2,921 views

I've seen quite a bit of excited discussion over new runes, and some negative about some specific runes, but no one seems to be that amped for Zombie Ward. This is EXACTLY the sort of thing I was hoping for with a new runes system, and this has the potential to really amp up the vision game. It's a small thing, especially when they are gonna add so many changes at once, but I really like the direction.

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ChaddyFantome4 votes

My only issue is how much i feel it might snowball the vision game. it might become required on every support by default for similar reason i have been adverse to the idea before.

Hopefully other options are competitive enough to make it not mandatory and make Supports even more into the ward slaves they are supposedly not supposed to be.

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

You are totally right.

Since we're on gameplay boards, though, how do you think they could fix it? Lower the duration? Something else?

EDIT: Honestly, since they are visible, I don't feel it's too bad. If they weren't that would be a major problem. After re-reading, it might be okay as-is.

Doozku1 votes

Maybe give it some competition. If Zombie Ward is a good to have when ahead, how about one that is better to have when behind?

Maybe a rune that automatically upgrades your ward to a blue ward when you hit lvl 2? (to avoid using this to cheese early.)

ChaddyFantome2 votes

I didn't catch the part where they were visible. In that case it might not be too bad, but i still think it has the potential to be. I'm just cautious is all.

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

Yeah, I had to go back and look, like I said. But, it's another encouraging point that they at least thought about it. If it's OP and they have to nerf it somehow, fine by me.

I just like the flow of cool ideas, and I LOVE that they can be in runes instead of forcing them onto items.

Erockandroll2 votes

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I didn't catch the part where they were visible. In that case it might not be too bad, but i still think it has the potential to be. I'm just cautious is all.

While the concept is nice, I feel like this would be a feature that the pro scene would do to death. While people could potentially feel obligated to take such a rune, it doesn't seem extremely likely in lower ELO. (When you still need to bash your support to build a sight stone) But Riot will still end up dumpstering it, because it's being overused/creating unhealthy patterns, in the pro scene.

Trashball2 votes

If the issue is that it's a vision-centric rune that could force supports to forgo other runes, WHY DON'T WE JUST GIVE EVERYONE A SLOT FOR A SINGLE VISION RELATED RUNE, just like the trinket system ingame.

they could introduce several different vision runes. They could even move the ward disabling passive from duskblade to a rune! FIDDLESTICKS COULD BE GREAT AGAIN!

CannonLordFreed3 votes

Wait what? Where is the info on this? Zombie Ward? That sounds so cool!

ModKnightsKemplar4 votes

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features/coming-preseason-runes-reforged

In the details shared there. More to come, according to Meddler. It's all WIP, of course, so no guarantees.

CannonLordFreed3 votes

I think I'm in love.

EQ Fidgetspinner2 votes

I love the idea too!

Arakadia2 votes

Thats actually sick af!

Voidbringers2 votes

I hate the Zombie ward idea. This is a throwback to the season 2 support ward bitch days. Now, when my team gets a lux "support," the enemy team will snowball even easier. Here's the fact of the matter: vision is extremely powerful and this will be OP unless they make it nearly useless.

Lord Desert1 votes

This "Zombie Ward" would give alot more power into vision clearing, thus item 3364. Since it now can also provide situational, but usefull, vision (The cleared wards are normally in places where you would like to place wards yourself).

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

I'm not sure I agree that it actually gives "a lot" more power, though. It's a visible ward, which means it only lasts until they come back. It's like a free blue ward, essentially; might even be a one health ward. If that were the case (they could always nerf it to there if it isn't already), would you still think it's giving a lot more power?

Lord Desert1 votes

Yes it is indeed just a "weaker" ward so to speak, but its a ward nevertheless! If you want to have vision in a place you need to place one of your wards, but this costs you ether a nonrecharging charge of your Sightstone or from your trinket. With this if you clear the Ward, and basically get a free charge on your Sightstone, because you didnt need to place a Ward there anymore.

The next part is that you get vision and vision denial in a big area all in 1 trinket! And the vision is exactly the same until someone scouts that place. But if nobody goes there it gives you as much as a normal ward. But its for free.

Lastely these Zombie Wards favor the better team more than the team that is behind, because the team ahead can consitently clear their vision and also set up their own vision. (Normally both would not be completely possible, or alot harder)

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

Well, that's fair. I don't think I'm as worried about it as you are, but you make some valid points.

Lord Desert1 votes

Currently everything is still in development so I'm not as against it as it might sound. But I'm always on my toes since balance is a very sensitive thing :D We dont need to balance it out right now, but I always like to keep an ace in my sleef and be ready to analyse and fix problems :D But for now we should keep on focusing to explore the ideas!

I did suggest that Riot should do something like an "idea pool", where we the community could throw in all of our ideas, but sadly I havnt heard anything so far from them regarding this :/

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

I think you're lookin at it, frankly. Gameplay boards aren't a terrible place to toss ideas and just see what people like.

Lord Desert1 votes

I think C&C would technically be the better choice than gameplay, but it would be nice if we just have 1 place where all, or the "biggest/best" ideas are gathered together. Like Meddler did with the "give us your drake ideas" a short while back in his Gameplay Thoughts.

This would reduce duplications and give riot an insentive to look at them more. The devs cant always be on the look out they have other work to do xD So compressing it would help to get ideas to Riot better and more reliable.

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