Remember when adcs only became a big threat when the game went past 35 minutes?

Dasdi96··83 votes·3,527 views

Right now I am more scared of a Twitch with item 3006 item 3031 item 3086 than a Zed with item 3158 item 3147 item 3142

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Scary Door32 votes

Remember when adcs only became a big threat when the game went past 35 minutes?

Fictional scenarios are difficult to remember.

Caitlyn has always been an early-mid game champ, even before her rework.

Draven has always been strong---only he is now considered "broken" because of items like Death's Dance.

Corki used to be a very strong mid game champ.

Varus was annoying to lane against certainly.

Sivir has always had a pretty good laning phase as well. There was a time where she was considered the single best pushing/sieging adc in the game.

Of course there were hypercarries and late-game monster adcs also such as Vayne, Trist, Kog and Twitch but those were the only ones I could think of that needed to either get ahead or farm up to about 30 minutes to be relevant (and virtually unstoppable) late game.

WoonStruck15 votes

Beta, Season 1, Season 2.

Yeah, ADCs weren't really a factor until 20 minutes unless they got fed early.

Apparently you weren't there.


Hell, bot lane only jungle attention at the time because there was a potential 2 kills, not because you want your ADC to get ahead since it hardly mattered until 20+ minutes.

ProfDrDeath2 votes

S2 was all about the ADCs that could circumvent the need for longer ramp-up - Corki Ezreal Graves Vayne (back when she was released and utterly broken).

WoonStruck9 votes

As any champ outside of AD/support, ADCs were fodder at pretty much any point before 20 minutes. Literally free kills if you got in range of them.

For bruisers. For tanks. For APCs. For junglers of all kinds.

Even vs Corki, Ez, Graves, and Vayne unless they got really fed early.

Corki, Ez, Graves offered advantages due to their mobility more than their early game vs other classes. It was their early game vs other ADCs that made them strong.

Executioner6 votes

God did I love the old graves.

Scary Door5 votes

I started almost 6 years ago to the date (so in mid Season 1), The ADCs I mentioned earlier (the ones that existed in season one) that were early game champs like Caitlyn were certainly still viable early game even in Season 1.

You're looking at things through the prism of nostalgia, but the reality is that ADCs had various high-points in the games temporal-arch and that hasn't changed since and likely will not change---as it shouldn't.

Bańg29 votes

tfw i could care less about an 11-0 zed 25 minutes in rather than a 5-0 twitch that can delete 5 people in under 6 seconds from a huge range and stealth.

yeehaw btw.

zed ults in?

e x h a u s t .

twitch ults?

run for dear life.

DemainaNyx16 votes

I've pretty much determined that if Twitch ults, you should rush him. Think of it like Leblanc's chain, you probably aren't getting out of it anyway, so try to kill them before they kill you.

Spoofghoul28 votes

kill twitch before he lands 2 basic attacks from xerath range out of stealth

ya

good luck with that

Papa Andrei6 votes

JarvanIV Hello I heard you needed instant cc nuke combo to one shot a squishy

Snowplosion4 votes

Who do you play that you die in two aas...

TwitchInMyPants3 votes

Shhhh if you dare suggest there's a way to negate physical damage or cc twitch from range you're going against the hivemind, we need to delete him from the game

In seriousness I'm willing to bet if they nerfed his AD by 5 or buffed one of his counters or something else everyone would immediately forget Twitch exists and go to complain about Draven or some shit. This board likes to have an OP of the month. I'd still be playing him even if he got a reasonably hard nerf just because I like the playstyle so I'm not even against nerfing him if he's too strong in solo q, but it's like these people forget things like armor/red wards/zac/sejuani/maokai/gragas/vi exist.

nm10102 votes

I've shown how twitch ulting out of stealth can reach near 3k dps across an entire team in the past, would you like me to do it again?

Snowplosion2 votes

I can see it being possible under the most unlikely circumstances...

pixelvoxel2 votes

Boards are insistent on the idea that an ADC can three shot a tank so basically every non-Marksman champion.

Snowplosion3 votes

Flash exhausting the Twitch is a worth sacrifice. To bad he still will probably kill your whole team.

Aimléss6 votes

Twitch is broken and won't get nerfed for some reason. I swear someone at Riot h as a hard on for Twitch and refuses to nerf em, yet every patch a new Caitlyn nerf is introduced. Lol he's not going anywhere.

RizHippoKhan5 votes

the new skin boi

Voluug132 votes

Funny how Caitlyn is now the poor adc victim lol

LankPants5 votes

e x h a u s t .

Remember when that slowed Attack Speed and could actually slow down an ADC?

sirwaterfles13 votes

Remember when games actually went past 35 minutes? Good times.

Executioner3 votes

30 minutes is considered long now, as an adc I usually have 4 items by that time or im fully built. And one base is usually fucked beyond compared by that time too.

sirwaterfles5 votes

yeah i know and i think its sad and the biggest problem with the game this season. 30 min is not enough time to have 3 stages of the game.

Executioner6 votes

I agree, holy shit it blows my mind to see what happened to my base at 15 minutes. Already down 4 or 5 sometimes 6 turrets if you are extremely behind. I fucking hate how paper thin turrets are.

By 30 minutes one team is already hitting late game, while the other is still in a mid game.

sirwaterfles5 votes

towers are purely mapdecoration at this point.

Sraeg20133 votes

Once I had a teamfight under enemy second mid turret(it was destroyed btw) at 15 minute mark.

We got aced and before we spawned they took our mid outer, mid inner and mid inhib turrets. Maybe, but I'm not sure now, they also did our mid inhib too.

In one push.

Without minions at the first two turrets.

Rainfall12 votes

i cant remember it because it was in your imagination

Rexxiee12 votes

Games dont even last 35 minutes anymore, of course they need to be stronger earlier.

Blame riot for the systematic changes and making games all 15~20 minute stomps instead of interesting 40 min tatical games.

Vallalan10 votes

yeah i remember, and it was cancer. if you snowball in any role you should be at least a semi threat. despite the circle jerk adcs are NOT as big of a threat as any other champion besides supports when on equally fed footing.

a 5/0 zed vs a 5/0 adc? that adc has to just flat out stay away from the zed unless they have outplay tools like Lucian, Vayne, Ezreal, etc.

If a twitch tries to open up on a Zed who is 5/0 as well what do you think will happen, he will immediately turn to ult him and blow his ass up. a 5/0 tank vs an adc in the mid game? what a joke dude. have you tried to kill a 5/0 tank with just IE, boots 2, and shiv or hurricane? go try it and get back to me.

Legit if a tank has like two tank items and ninja tabi you are going to tickle them even if you are fed.

And I really think people just need to understand that its not "adcs" that are unhealthy just because a few outliers have really unhealthy kits. Like Twitch is incredibly unhealthy and toxic. Very little counterplay to his kit, but would you say you have the same problem with a champ like Sivir? probably not.

There are a few really toxic adcs but there a few really toxic champs in EVERY role.

Dasdi962 votes

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yeah i remember, and it was cancer. if you snowball in any role you should be at least a semi threat. despite the circle jerk adcs are NOT as big of a threat as any other champion besides supports when on equally fed footing.

a 5/0 zed vs a 5/0 adc? that adc has to just flat out stay away from the zed unless they have outplay tools like Lucian, Vayne, Ezreal, etc.

If a twitch tries to open up on a Zed who is 5/0 as well what do you think will happen, he will immediately turn to ult him and blow his ass up. a 5/0 tank vs an adc in the mid game? what a joke dude. have you tried to kill a 5/0 tank with just IE, boots 2, and shiv or hurricane? go try it and get back to me.

Legit if a tank has like two tank items and ninja tabi you are going to tickle them even if you are fed.

And I really think people just need to understand that its not "adcs" that are unhealthy just because a few outliers have really unhealthy kits. Like Twitch is incredibly unhealthy and toxic. Very little counterplay to his kit, but would you say you have the same problem with a champ like Sivir? probably not.

There are a few really toxic adcs but there a few really toxic champs in EVERY role.

An adc is not supposed to open up on a zed, especially a fed one. Neither should they be able to solo a 5/0 tank during midgame.

PrinceOfStorms2 votes

The 5/0 ADC puts out way more pressure simply by existing than the 5/0 Zed. In teamfights the Zed can blow his load on one guy but then he's basically useless until his ult comes back up. The ADC doesn't actually have to spend resources (like any significant amount of mana or cooldowns) to put out huge damage.

If a twitch tries to open up on a Zed who is 5/0 as well what do you think will happen, he will immediately turn to ult him and blow his ass up

If a 5/0 twitch opens up on a Zed who is also 5/0, Zed will die, because Twitch will burst him down in 0.75 seconds.

10 fps2 votes

If Zed can not kill a Twitch in a 1v1 then either Zed has been feeding his ass off or he's just terribly bad. Twitch doesn't even have any escapes. And it's the nature of assassins vs ADCs. Twitch is better at teamfights and assassins suck. How is that ADCs fault when it's how assassins are designed?

Akali is SO HOT8 votes

Draven item 1055 item 2003

Snowplosion7 votes

Honest answer: No. I don't remember it taking any champion taking that long to scale. If any champ took that long to scale in pretty much any meta, they would fucking suck.

Mizaya7 votes

You could argue that Twitch would have more pressure with stealth. But IE + Zeal Twitch won't outburst Duskblade + Ghostblade Zed, in fact it's not even close.

So, Twitch is a threat because of stealth which allows him to create winning situations for him. Well, what about the OTHER adcs?

Kaioko6 votes

Games don't go over 35 minutes anymore hence why ADCs have to scale with 2 or 3 items really well or be useless the entire game.

sirwaterfles3 votes

Why is a fact being downvoted? You can argue wether its good or not but you cant downvote the thruth and hope it goes away.

Kaioko2 votes

Thanks for the defense but I tend not to worry about down-votes and up-votes. I've played multiple roles that scale well both early and late and am aware how the game has shifted. Personally I don't mind and the things I thought were broken have always been adjusted the way I hoped they should be.

At the end of the day a few phantom down-voters on the forums that don't even bother to comment are not at all worth my time or yours.

The Deckowner5 votes

Remember when adcs only became a big threat when the game went past 35 minutes?

FTFY

Meep Man2 votes

I dont get these comments. My games commonly revolve around the 35 minute mark or slightly later.

ZephyrDrake4 votes

ah you mean never, because not all ADCs are late game champions and have never been. Some ADCs are stronger in the early game, others are better in the mid game while others are only good in the late game with some being ok at all stages but rarely, if ever, the best at any

BiH Fear1 votes

Every single adc is strong late game lol. Adcs like Draven who are strong at every point in the game shouldn't exist

ZephyrDrake2 votes

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Every single adc is strong late game lol. Adcs like Draven who are strong at every point in the game shouldn't exist

strong... lucian is not strong in the late game, neither is Ezreal, nor Varus, Draven doesn't have the greatest of late games either. Sorry but not every ADC is the same, they all have their strengths and weaknesses which you can exploit which is what makes their late game be weak or strong. Not matter how strong your bias is, it doesn't change that simple fact

Shablagoo4 votes

I personally think that adc's are snowballing better then assassins, because if they dominate early game they sure as hell will not fall off specially twitch

invisiblecat14 votes

Remember when they had to sacrifice 2 item slots for item 3035 and a defensive item such as old item 3026 or old item 3102

LyingOnLine2 votes

remember adcs in 2k17 lul

BiH Fear2 votes

Adcs were never weak in 2k17. Just a bunch of adc mains and low elo players making up things. Adc mains bitching that they weren't the most important and strongest role in the game for 1 patch and the low elo players repeating what they heard because they have 0 knowledge of the game and can't think for themselves

Serika Zero2 votes

Compared to a few seasons ago, you could actually assassinate the adc when playing assassins. Now adcs have to many defensive options. Mages only had 1, zhonias and it got nerfed to the ground. Meanwhile, adcs got like 3-5 different defensive options for which they sacrifice shit. PD gives them AS and Crit rate. BT gives them life steal and AD. DD gives them AD and life steal. Maw gives them life steal, and AD.. and for some reason cdr GA gives them AD (like, this is the worst defensive options for adcs) scimtar gives AD and life steal.

For fucks's sake. And all mages had was Zhonias........................ now we also got banshee, but that's 2 compared to the pletora of options for adcs

Geshultz2 votes

Mages still have other options then Zhoyna's Hourglass and Bashee's veil. For example, Rod of Ages is an item that grants 500 health and 100 AP and some sustain for usage. item 3151 gives some magic penetration, % current damage and 80 AP and 300 health. Again, mages still have more options then you mention not including Seraph's Shield, Hextech items that are available to mages. Note, I am only stating they are available as options and some options are heavily useful on mages such as item 3151 .

Superbonner642 votes

tfw zed the assassin is getting one shot by Vayne and Twitch

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