I feel like the problem with Vayne isn't just her own strength.

Pokemonred200··3 votes·470 views

It's the weakness of what are usually her strongest counters (Caitlyn and Lucian, specifically). Seriously, these two have been in the gutter as far as botlane is concerned for months (when Lucian was good recently, it was midlane), and the champions that were currently kicking her teeth in (MissFortune, Ezreal) have gotten several nerfs since the preseason began (both directly and indirectly). She has times where she's in a decent spot, sure, but in a world where lane bullies and poke isn't strong, her items are cheap, I would expect Vayne to be coming out on top.

I feel like the solution would be to make the other options stronger, but even then, I'm not sure how possible it is to do that without making them busted with the state the marksman class as a whole is in right now.

What do you think? Would you rather she get direct nerfs, or make the champions best at putting her in her place... actually decent at doing that again?

7 Comments

Niyume1 votes

Vayne has been broken since her release. Not goinna change until she gets a major nerf or rework.

MagicFlyingLlama3 votes

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Vayne has been broken since her release. Not goinna change until she gets a major nerf or rework.

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E Man forever1 votes

Maybe make relic shield melee only

Pokemonred2001 votes

I feel like that would be a problem for Thresh, since he does use it, but the 2% missing HP restore on minion executes could be melee only (this wasn't there before), or the shield strength could be lower on ranged. Not sure.

Poop Jelly1 votes

Yup that's what i think so too. I'm fairly objective when it comes to the debate of Vayne being this and that, but I think she's more popular and successful right now because her supposedly in-lane counters are in pretty bad shapes.

Pokemonred2001 votes

Yup! I get this point more than anything, although I will admit when her in-lane counters aren't weak, they take over the lane (we all remember Caitlyn and Lucian meta, and I'm pretty sure nobody wants that, but there could be ways to balance them without making them completely oppressive or completely useless).

Ahristocats1 votes

meanwhile, i almost never played cait and lucian last season and don't remember a game that i lost against vayne as Mordekaiser

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