Mindless gameplay should not be rewarded.

Dasdi96·Jun 20, 2017·1 votes·286 views

Right now with champs like you can build and rest damage and just charge the enemy team and do as much damage as possible without planning. With all the anti burst tools like you can get rid of your weakness of burst damage, allowing you to deal massive dps while healing based on damage done. They take tons of cc and damage to kill them, far more than what should be required to deal with squishy carries. A normal adc has to strategically position next to their support to maximize safety while dealing damage.

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Subject 5Jun 20, 20171 votes

But all of those champions actually require a mind to use. You should be complaining more about:

MasterYi Jax Tryndamere Aatrox

Miror BJun 20, 20172 votes

To be fair, a bunch of those would be less OP if rito finally introduced a grievous wounds item for tanks. It isn't so much that their kits are annoying but that you have to buy at least 2 different items to stop them (one for grievous wounds, and potentially a frozen heart to stop a bit of their attack speed/damage).

Dasdi96Jun 20, 20171 votes

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But all of those champions actually require a mind to use. You should be complaining more about:

I actually agree with all but aatrox. Tryndamere is the textbook definition of a "brute force" champ that takes no actual strategy. Whether ahead or behind, he just slaps towers until they die, while winning 1v1 against anyone who dares to stop him save for a few other duelists.

Subject 5Jun 20, 20171 votes

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I actually agree with all but aatrox. Tryndamere is the textbook definition of a "brute force" champ that takes no actual strategy. Whether ahead or behind, he just slaps towers until they die, while winning 1v1 against anyone who dares to stop him save for a few other duelists.

That's like literally the definition of what Aatrox is though. That's pretty much all he does and all that he is picked for is really split pushing. He was released during a time that split pushing was so dominant that it was pretty much 'the thing to do.'

SEKAIJun 20, 20171 votes

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But all of those champions actually require a mind to use. You should be complaining more about:

Yi is pretty darn hard to play in high elo, because he is also incredibly easy to shit on if you actually have a mind.

Jax is just in a tight spot, because his re-design simply doesn't age well.

Aatrox is just bad and a less effective Trynd.

All of the 3 guys above require their players to pull tricks, because their current position do not allow them to mow through people even if that could be happening on paper.

Only Trynd really is a champ that should be complained about on this list in terms of their "easy-ness" or their "lack of mind".

Subject 5Jun 20, 20171 votes

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Yi is almost impossible to play in high elo, because he is also incredibly easy to shit on if you actually have a mind.

Jax is just in a tight spot, because his re-design simply doesn't age well.

Aatrox is just bad and a less effective Trynd.

Only Trynd really is a champ that should be complained about on this list in terms of their "easy-ness" or their "lack of mind".

Tryndamere has about the same amount of gear in his kit as Jax. They have an almost identical kit too.

Trynda:

P: Bonus crit. Whoop. Can use for other things in his kit. Basically kill faster with RNG. Q: Heal. W: Slow/Damage reduction E: Spin-2-Win R: Live longer

Jax:

P: Bonus Attack speed. Basically kill faster. Without RNG. Q: Jump W: Damage E: Damage + Damage reduction + Stun R: Live longer

I'm not saying their identical but they are pretty mindless to play.

SEKAIJun 20, 20171 votes

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Tryndamere has about the same amount of gear in his kit as Jax. They have an almost identical kit too.

Trynda:

P: Bonus crit. Whoop. Can use for other things in his kit. Basically kill faster with RNG. Q: Heal. W: Slow/Damage reduction E: Spin-2-Win R: Live longer

Jax:

P: Bonus Attack speed. Basically kill faster. Without RNG. Q: Jump W: Damage E: Damage + Damage reduction + Stun R: Live longer

I'm not saying their identical but they are pretty mindless to play.

You can make literally any champ mindless and OP with this kind of approach. We need to look at the current practical scene as well. Jax has issues doing anything besides stunning people nowadays since his AA doesn't do nearly enough damage to justify his kit being pretty much designed entirely around it outside of stun, even his good o' guaranteed flying-stun QE combo is no longer definite with the amount of dashes and whatever escapes this game has atm.

Also, a straight-forward kit, an insufficient kit, and an inflexible kit are all not the same as a brain-dead kit. A mind-less kit would imply they mash buttons or do very little and just win, which only Trynd is actually guilty of this among the "easy" champ; meanwhile all of the real and notorious offenders of that have always been the "hard" champs instead. Because what a shocker, a kit that's more loaded also introduces the aspect of button mashing, ie, "mind-less-ness".

Subject 5Jun 20, 20171 votes

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You can make literally any champ mindless and OP with this kind of approach. We need to look at the current practical scene as well. Jax has issues doing anything besides stunning people nowadays, even his good o' guaranteed flying-stun QE combo is no longer definite with the amount of dashes and whatever escapes this game has atm.

Also, a straight-forward kit, an insufficient kit, and an inflexible kit are all not the same as a brain-dead kit. A mind-less kit would imply they mash buttons and win, which only Trynd is actually guilty of this among the "easy" champ; meanwhile all of the real and notorious offenders of that have always been the "hard" champs instead. Because what a shocker, a kit that's more loaded also introduces the aspect of mashing, ie, "mind-less-ness".

Mindless kit implies that you honestly don't need to think or use much cognitive ability to really do anything. Prime example: Janna "Oh wow- my carry is kind of getting hurt. Better E." or when somebody jumps on her ADC: "Ope- better use my ultimate now." the playstyle that this champion has is literally just be carried - you don't do anything else besides shield and ult in the same scenario as possible. This describes mindless champion = Tryndamere/Aatrox.

These guys just split push and do literally nothing for their team. If they feed, who cares? Just keep doing the same thing over and over again - don't bother grouping because you'll be more successful just pushing and gaining attention. Typically a good pick for Tryndamere are with allies like Ziggs Malzahar Sivir who can waveclear with ease while stalling for time in a 4v5 scenario.

Jax on the other hand . . . well he just has so much more freedom than Tryndamere - how can he be just as mindless? Well how do you interact with other people with Jax? If you can solve a scenario with just one answer and one answer only - you are probably playing a mindless champion.

Somebody do AA damage? Jax E Do you want more damage? Jax W Do you need to live longer and tank for damage? Jax R Do you need a gapcloser on an 'Okay' cooldown? Jax Q

Another example is Garen like, do you know why this dude isn't allowed to be strong or buffed? The dudes broken as all hell.

P - REGEN Q - DAMAGE DAMAGE DAMAGE SILENCE RUN AWAY RAWR W - OH YOU HAVE DAMAGE RUN AWAY WITH THIS E - SPIN-SPIN-SPIN DAMAGE DAMAGE DAMAGE FLGHFHIFGHIFGHIFGH R - LOW ON HP OKAY BYEBYE MOTHER FKER

You should read ^^^ while having a mental breakdown, it's fun I swear.