Rengar in a verry weird spot

JoroA·Jul 28, 2015·4 votes·1,090 views

Well as you might have noticed, good ol Rengar is once again almost permabanned. He is not op as he becomes useless unless fed and doesnt have the best early game out there, and yet he is almost 50% banned and rising. His win rate is sometimes above 50% in high elo but it's usually around 48 and it gets lower in lower elo. But people still ban him almost the same amounts of times as nidalee. I honestly think he needs another rework since no one really wants to fight against rengar even though he isnt the strongest champ out there. What do you think guys?

18 Comments

BeoridasJul 29, 20152 votes

look . i play every role in the game.

I can tell you that nothing else is more bullshit than rengar's dmg with infinity, ghostblade, phantom dancer. 1 out of ult jump and one aa...thats all it takes and i vanish--sometimes just the jump i dont even have 0.5 sec to react. Tho i agree that he needs to do well. ITs rather pretty pretty rare that he is doing badly. or that badly that he cant do some serious dmg.

JoroAJul 29, 20151 votes

Well that's just it, most heroes these days(especially the new ones) have ways to deal with him and if he is full dmg with gb pd and inf edge he gets destroyed by champs such as azir or irelia etc etc... but thats not the point, his playstyle needs to be changed a bit, he is meant to be played offtank but when people play him full dps he is extreamly toxic for the game and not every game the enemy will have an azir, irelia etc. As i said a rework is needed to correct some of his problems atm, for example every top laner and jungler has hard cc to shut him down(full dmg or not), mid lane has champs like azir who can just push him and kill him, and bot has supports like leona tahm kench and thresh who render him useless. People dont realise it and still ban him.

HaIlMonitorJul 29, 20151 votes

Where is the off tank coming from? His tags say Assassin/Fighter. He is meant to deal damage and they nerfed the hell out of his "tank" builds seasons ago :D

JoroAJul 29, 20151 votes

Well he was originally desighned to be an assassin with no escape but made to do assassin dmg with health to spare, unlike every other assassin, however that led to MANY problems like people making him full dmg, or full tank(and ofc the triple q) and he is verry difficult to balance cuz he needs to be tanky because he has no disengage like every other assassin(except good ol talon)

BeoridasJul 29, 20151 votes

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Well that's just it, most heroes these days(especially the new ones) have ways to deal with him and if he is full dmg with gb pd and inf edge he gets destroyed by champs such as azir or irelia etc etc... but thats not the point, his playstyle needs to be changed a bit, he is meant to be played offtank but when people play him full dps he is extreamly toxic for the game and not every game the enemy will have an azir, irelia etc. As i said a rework is needed to correct some of his problems atm, for example every top laner and jungler has hard cc to shut him down(full dmg or not), mid lane has champs like azir who can just push him and kill him, and bot has supports like leona tahm kench and thresh who render him useless. People dont realise it and still ban him.

its rarely about what is supposed to be built on something but how its abusing the builds available etc.. (ezreal etc..)

insaiyanbaccaJul 29, 20152 votes

his first role is an assassin hes meant to do massive damage honestly i think they should tweak his w keep the heal and stat boost on empowered because if he does empowered roar he doesnt get the snare or bonus dmg but i think the defensive stat bonuses from his non empowered w might need a change into something else but idk

JoroAJul 29, 20151 votes

That would be reaaaaly bad! A full cdr tankgar will permasustain himself and will be extreamly annoying and he will be useless unless he is tank because he has no way of avoiding skillshots or other abilities like say riven for example, so what will end up happening is a dmg rengar will explode in tf and a tankgar will be always in your face shouting and u cant kill him.

HaIlMonitorJul 28, 20151 votes

He is banned because adc's control bans (see irelia) and he counters a lot of sated junglers. Faster power spikes,can kill them early, and they dont gank typically. This just brews he is in a good spot for pick wise. So all in all I don't think he is op its just people have forgotten how to buy item 3364 and dont know how to play vs him very well in general.

JoroAJul 29, 20151 votes

Speaking of irelia, he is countered verry easy and most of the meta picks are his counters. Wich brings the question why would they ban him so much as i said he doesnt win so much and champs such as irelia/nida/ryze etc etc stomp, and yet he gets banned... i dont get poeple.

LuggJul 29, 20151 votes

He needs something. If Rengar gets fed, it's GG since he can delete people at will at that point. This is why no one wants to play against him, the risk is just too high.

Only Play DariusJul 29, 20151 votes

He is banned because Rengar top is bullshit to deal with. No one really feels choked by Rengar jungle. Someone who sits in the bush all game and you have no idea when or if they are going to jump 600 units and 100-0 you (which he can do every 6 seconds or so because he is manaless) is one of the most aggravating experiences you will have in league.

JoroAJul 29, 20152 votes

You are forgetting something friend... Look at the meta top laners: Gnar, irelia ryze, vlad, maokai etc etc all of wich destroy him withought trying. Now rengar can beat them sure its possible but dont forget how easy it is to be ganked and sitted top lane and he cant do a dam thing about it and he can even be dived by these champs(notice i didnt even mention darius and trynd but they arent played that much) and the junglers are the same case.

HaIlMonitorJul 29, 20151 votes

You did forget Riven :D

JoroAJul 29, 20151 votes

Riven is the only interesting matchup, since it is entirely skill based. Whoever gets first blood wins the lane and dominates. The only matchup that rengar dominates is nasus but nasus can beat him now cuz every smart nasus starts with flask and rengar cant really do much about it unless nasus messes up and gets destroyed wich in high elo is rare. Oh and btw riven is in a simular situation but she has utility that is highly annoying and a ult that is always usefull as for rengar he has only 1 utility... his ult that everybody hates and is often useless unless he is fed.

thinking manJul 29, 20151 votes

they should've done that original idea of removing his stealth since you can't balance an assassin around going in and going 1/1 because they either have stupid aoe damage or they're tankier than the tanks for a few seconds after they kill the helpless target

JoroAJul 29, 20151 votes

In theory its true, but honestly most of the time he builds moby boots with ghostblade combined with ult ms boost so i think he will be the same, if not worse for the mega ms steroid. I have no idea how they can ever make him less toxic as a champ (i knida think he is balanced atm just a pain to play against)

rG ThundragJul 29, 20151 votes

Even though rengar has a lot of counters in lane he still scales incredibly well while having moderate-high base damage so being a couple kills down if he still has slightly below average CS he can still kill an ADC 100-0 with only 2 and a half items with an ignite since they're tooth picks and possibly lower of the health of a nearby target by 30-40% before dying(or escaping cause you get around a 40% ms boost after ult) Hes incredibly good in our current meta which is revolving around extreme late game carries at the moment like jinx/vayne/azir (Azir is a bit spotty he could ult if his reaction and ping is low enough since you don't need to actually click on rengar like vayne e so its a tad faster..)

JoroAJul 29, 20151 votes

Ah yes what you say is true... when the meta started, however now there are supports like tahm and in this meta almost everyone(even some adc's) have cc so late game rengar needs VERRY solid teamwork to wrok around those things. Let us not forget that not every adc is fed, i see more and more games where the adc is behind and mid/jungle/top with the supp carry. Also a good adc is near the support and that makes things difficult for rengo, not to mention vayne and kalista and quinn can solo rengar, who is not fed. Atleast back in the day rengar bans were understandible, but now an enemy comp that completley counters him still bans him for the lols because his kit is not fun to play against!