ROX what have you done.......
Solo Q support
every game.... God help us all.
Solo Q support
every game.... God help us all.
When will people realize that supporting isnt about champion... Any champion can support as long as you actually support
When will people realize that supporting isnt about champion... Any champion can support as long as you actually support
No thats exactly it. The problem is the average league player does not learn to look at roles like that, but thats due to the game not teaching its players to look at roles subjectively and versatile unlike say Dota for example where heroes are NOT restricted to any lane or particular role. "Play what works on its own instead of making something work". I remember i was flamed to HELL and back when i wanted to play Amumu support and i did well with it--a tanky initiator support such as nautilus or leona. People STILL didn't care because it wasn't the real leona or nautilus and their argument is always "Why not just pick [standard support]?" And i wasn't messing around either; I was playing a serious support game.
Ive played games with an Ekko as my support and thought "Wow holy shit ekko support is great, why dont people play it more?" and Jhin support is AMAZING. In fact the amount of CC and initiation Jhin has im surprised he isnt already a standard support pick. The only difference is that hes a AD caster instead of an AP. (Brand, Annie)
League of legends tells the average player to let the meta play the game for them rather than the other way around. Ive always said this since i started playing 4 years ago and its still as evident today. People that will suddenly start playing MF support from this ember will only prove that. Just like when riot used to do Dark Horse articles and turned Brand into a support, and urgot into a mid. Imagine trying to do that BEFORE then? Imagine trying to play MF support before this game that made everyone go "Ohhhh ok it was in the LCS that means it ok right?"
But conversely youll see the kind of people that will be playing Teemo support or Xerath support or anything off meta in general BECAUSE they want to fuck around and they don't actually know what theyre doing at all, which gives a bad outlook on the people that actually ARE legitimately trying with something "off meta" so i CAN understand why people would be apprehensive not seeing standard because too many people have given off meta a troll reputation.
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No thats exactly it. The problem is the average league player does not care about that the game doesn't teach people to look at roles subjectively and versatile unlike say Dota for example. I remember i was flamed to HELL and back when i wanted to play Amumu support and i did well with it. People STILL didn't care because it wasn't leona or nautilus and their argument is always "Why not just pick [standard support]?"
Ive played games with an Ekko as my support and thought "Wow holy shit ekko support is great, why dont people play it more?"
League of legends tells the average player to let the meta play the game for them rather than the other way around. Ive always said this since i started playing 4 years ago and its still as evident today. People that will suddenly start playing MF support from this ember will only prove that.
Yeah, as someone who has had more success on off-meta supports (ekko, maokai, and more recently leblanc) I actually find the whole argument of "what is a support" to be rather hilarious. For me, supports are a lot like food: there is plenty of different kinds of it and people will be constantly disagreeing on what is and isn't it. The fact some people have the audacity to bitch and moan when I choose to eat a bowl of curry-flavored cheerios when they themselves have probably eaten/done way worse makes me enjoy playing off-meta stuff even more, as I'm essentially experiencing a joy that they never will.
In a broader sense though, supports "have" to do one of these things to be viable: -have a way to cc an enemy to make it easier for teammates to kill (pose defensive "kill threat") -have a way to sustain allies whether it be through the use of heals/shields (pose defensive "anti-kill threat" ) -have a way to chunk out enemy laners putting them within "kill range" of your adc or forcing them to burn sustain/back more often (pose offensive "kill threat" ) -have a way to neutralize enemy heals/shields/defensive stats (pose offensive "anti-kill threat" )
If a support cannot do any of those 4 things, only then are they "unviable".
Yeah, as someone who has had more success on off-meta supports (ekko, maokai, and more recently leblanc) I actually find the whole argument of "what is a support" to be rather hilarious. For me, supports are a lot like food: there is plenty of different kinds of it and people will be constantly disagreeing on what is and isn't it. The fact some people have the audacity to bitch and moan when I choose to eat a bowl of curry-flavored cheerios when they themselves have probably eaten/done way worse makes me enjoy playing off-meta stuff even more, as I'm essentially experiencing a joy that they never will.
In a broader sense though, supports "have" to do one of these things to be viable: -have a way to cc an enemy to make it easier for teammates to kill (pose defensive "kill threat") -have a way to sustain allies whether it be through the use of heals/shields (pose defensive "anti-kill threat" ) -have a way to chunk out enemy laners putting them within "kill range" of your adc or forcing them to burn sustain/back more often (pose offensive "kill threat" ) -have a way to neutralize enemy heals/shields/defensive stats (pose offensive "anti-kill threat" )
If a support cannot do any of those 4 things, only then are they "unviable".
-have a way to neutralize enemy heals/shields/defensive stats (pose offensive "anti-kill threat" ) So anyone that takes ignite is a viable support in your opinion? I do not understand. But ima roll with lucian ignite support and see how it goes.
-have a way to neutralize enemy heals/shields/defensive stats (pose offensive "anti-kill threat" ) So anyone that takes ignite is a viable support in your opinion? I do not understand. But ima roll with lucian ignite support and see how it goes.
Not exactly. Trundle's ultimate or abilities that can apply grievous wounds is something I'm kinda getting at, as it forces the enemy to burn more sustain just to outlast your damage. Summoner spells as well is something I'll always disagree about, as people often attempt to use them to "mask" crappy or trolling off-meta stuff. If you knew the amount of times I had ADC's go tp/ignite yasuo just to have "global pressure", it'd probably melt your prefrontal cortex.
I've been spam playing Varus bot and mid. Now I can try support. I have poke, slow, aoe cc, and grievice wounds.
I love playing off meta supports. Well, I used to. I've played a few games of
and even
support. All have their niches. All have some form of CC. And no, I don't start dorans ring and build damage straight away. It's just that when someone faces a support who isn't a full on support champion, they have no idea how to lane against that. Especially the
. I make them fear the crows.
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Especially the
. I make them fear the crows.
You are an evil person.
lmfao
I am c: http://i.imgur.com/ZiIjZjp.png
My friend got Little Devil Teemo as soon as he came out and that's all he plays now
vlad and rumblr both taking relic shield in bot lane is pretty fun
same with taly sup and tf adc, ganks outa bot lane all day
I played adc ahri and actually did well ._.
there actually is a diamond ahri adc main. Google [diamond ahri adc] and u should be able to find him but im not gonna directly say the IGN cuz boards prohibits calling out a specific player (other than popular streamers n pro players)
I hate
support. I have never seen it work. It might work with an
or
but with ADCs with no CC it is less than helpful.
Well, a well timed blind will most likely drop an ADCs damage by a fair amount every few seconds. Say Jhin is on his 4th shot and your ADC is low. He flash autos but it doesnt hit because he was blinded. Boom. Plus the damage you usually get off as
when trading is good.
I once laned with a Xin Zhao support. We had someone screw up in the picks, and this guy said he would take support instead of jungle.
Now, I wouldn't consider myself a meta slave, but as long as your champ fits the standard requirements of the role you chose, then I won't argue it (even things like Lulu top, Malz jungle, or Vel'koz support). That said, Xin Zhao doesn't exactly have what it takes to be a common support.........unless you know what you're doing.
Not only did we win the game with this Xin support, we also dominated the lane. This Xin had full control over the bushes, and was very familiar with the limits of his champ. Since I'm an ADC that tries to capitalize on anything my support can do in lane, the Xin knockup did wonders.
And so, to this day, whenever someone goes "off meta", I just roll with it, and even kind of defend anyone going off meta because of this one player. Yeah, I might still get salty, and say "This is why you don't go (champ/role)". But, I don't shoot them down in champ select.
I got an MF support last game and i will tell you it was SHIT IT WAS HELL.

That's mostly because they didn't know how MF support worked.
People probably bitch because 9/10 times someone plays something like Jihn support it's because they wanted ADC but didn't get it. So they are just going to take their champion "support" and not support at all anyway lol.
I main support and playing Teemo support gave me most fun on bot lane. Surprisingly I was not flamed much, lol. Such games are needed as I am not going to become pro player or smth. I main Thresh, but going too hard on maining him makes no sense for me as it becomes less fun if you grind only couple of champs. Once my ADC banned Annie after I showed that I am choosing her as support. Pretty stupid how people are scared of off-meta supports (in both teams, lol).
Played amumu top in ranked once. People were whining like crazy until I went 5/0 before 10 minutes. Against a ranged top.
I don't have the balls to do it again because it would break my heart to mess that up.
zero CC low base damage I don't see how they could possibly support
you answered your own question :) [slayer-jinx-catface]
This is only true to an extent. No matter what, if you're support and you see the enemy team pick rengar zed and akali, please pick a support with peel. No matter how much we win lane with your support Teemo, I'll be useless late without lots of help.
This is only true to an extent. No matter what, if you're support and you see the enemy team pick rengar zed and akali, please pick a support with peel. No matter how much we win lane with your support Teemo, I'll be useless late without lots of help.
Actually Teemo is great counter to Rengar
But still, against assassins I would rater have a Thresh or a Braum.
What about Maokai? Great vision control with E, targeted snare and knockback, and gives you damage reduction. Just saying that there are off meta picks for almost every situations, and that's kinda the point of off meta. They're usually specialist picks, who's amazing for some situations but not all.
exactly, but then people think that because its mf they should just buy d blade 2 pots and build full damage because ROX picked mf so it has to work. right?
That's true, but the level of understanding about the game has to equal the zaniness of your pick. And it certainly helps if the ADC knows what to expect, too.
THAT'S the biggest reason that people don't like off-meta picks. They have a hard time adapting to them and knowing what to do. Even if you play it perfectly, League is a team game. If your team doesn't know what's coming, it's hard to win sometimes. You can always get those steamroll games where it really doesn't matter because you are so far ahead, but the meta is established by the close games, not the steamroll ones.
The rest of the conversation around here is good, but I thought I would add that tidbit.
So all those people who trolled my team with support MF earlier this season were actually pioneers.....
Hahaha true :D
No, they're LCS sheep :/
earlier this season
Well, MF support still looked pretty situational. Hard counter to Zyra and nice armor shredder, if you have triple AD team.
I love off meta things. Sheep mode off
Literally anything can be played support. As someone that mains support, I'll run pretty much anything down there.
One of my favorite smurf picks is AP ezreal support.
I started maining support because it allows me to pick pretty much anyone with utility (almost everyone).
I am not scared of Miss Fortune supports.
Being Silver, I am scared of the Orianna "mains" I am going to get in my games. Because I can already see them thinking: " I saw faker player, it looked pretty easy, i can do it too!" and then they'll go 0/20/1 and be like "OMG, report jungler no ganks".

then just remind them faker avoided what should have been an easy 3 man gank from ROX, orianna don't need no jg help (yes bad grammar intended) :P
Was lucky enough to be there live (amazing time), and before the rift even loaded on the first MF pick I had already texted my support with "nope"
Overall it's about the team comp. In bot lane, an adc doesn't really factor into the start of a fight unless they lane their CC. Cait has traps which are easily avoidable. So she's out. After 6, when MF, and Ashe both ult, Cait has nothing. Zyra is the damage dealer in the lane. Her strength comes from the fact that people tend to not focus her because she's "just the support" and that allows her to win. ROX made an effort to focus Zyra. An adc mid-early game does p much nothing without their support.
The MF and Ashe lane is very weak pre 6 and that is Zyra's time to bully them out. Combined with a jungle with some decent engage, that lane is dead. SKT's issue was that Olaf has no hard CC to help his bot lane out. Tbh I'm surprised SKT still picked Olaf even after ROX first picked Ashe. The MF and Ashe lane is also weak when being engaged upon. Notice they are very strong if they were the ones to start the fight.
Anyway, people are going to find very quick that supp MF won't work in solo q against a Zyra. Majority of players don't understand why it worked for ROX.
It worked because MF outranges Zyra and can safely land a kill without going into Zyra's ult range. Not much more else to it.
Who won the semis in the end?
It isn't over yet, its 25 minutes into game 5 as I am typing this
skt
Rest in peace bambi molester the prophet, you shall be missed
Unfortunately SKT.