Am i the only that think adcs are the problem in this game?

dominusx·Dec 11, 2016·122 votes·6,594 views

So let's see. adcs kill tanks too fast so we buff tanks and make them oppresive for every other role in hopes they can get to do their job since 300fkn armor shouldnt even remotely die to an adc champ without at least 15 auto attacks and not like now where even a malphite dies in seconds. Mages/Assasins kill adcs too fast so we nerf them both again because adcs players cry that they get oneshoted when they build 6 ad items. Bruisers were able to solokill adcs in the past but lets nerf them we cant have them 1v1'ing adcs our glory babies so they were trash for a while untill now we got this colosus masteries to supposedly help by soaking uprfront burst which in result made a lot of bruisers toxic. for what again? adcs as usual. So tell us the other role players how is it fair for us to have our champs / overpowered ( so we cant pick em due to bans ) or trash tier depending on the adc meta at the time it really baffles me. idgaf of the oppinion of adc players i truly dont anymore you litterally have one of the easiest roles as long as you ban busted Syndra and Heca atm you do ridiculous dmg and armor barely counters you anymore you have support items that shield you for 700+ and this stupid redemption item acting as a tier 2 heal. GUT ADCS SAVE THE GAME rito gems.

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CatastropDec 11, 201655 votes

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Mages/Assasins kill adcs too fast so we nerf them both again because adcs players cry that they get oneshoted when they build 6 ad items.

This upsets me the most. As a mage/assassin, I'm expected to counterbuild some resistances/defensive items to survive against opposing mages/assassins. ADC's going full damage however have the audacity to complain about being oneshot when they don't even have as much as a item 3812 , item 3026 or item 3046 .

Honestly, this is probably the only MOBA where ADC's are balanced around building full glass-cannon.

dominusxDec 11, 201638 votes

thats not the only problem. adcs have no MECHANICAL counterplay to more thna 60% of their dmg output considering you cant dodge autoattacks and armor just doesnt cut it ( apart from armor you cant go 4 armor items on a mage like seriously........that's stupid) we got a few melees with no mechanical counterplay but at least THEY ARE MELEEs not ranged so if they aproach as full dmg they die before they even touch anyone. adcs just casually sit at 500+ range doing 800 dmg per auto with 1.8k attack speed and they think that it take any fucking skill . hint : it doesnt take any fk skill.

ZT XperimentorDec 11, 201634 votes

Not to mention nearly every armor item has been nerfed in the past. Thornmail had it's reflection cut down to 1/3. Ranuin's omen & Frozen heart had their attack speed slows reduced by -5%, ontop of a loss of armor. Sunfire cape & warmogs lost health. The only noticeable exception? Ninja tabi, the boots got a +2% increase on their passive.

And riot gave marksmen even more options to screw over tanks, as if cutting their armor in half wasn't enough; another item to negate being crowd controlled (they already had one), bonus damage if tanks try stacking health, an item to negate half their healing if they try to sustain, an item that gives them even more auto-attack range, and finally 2 offensive items that grant damage reduction!

I concur with you entirely.

AstôlfoDec 11, 201655 votes

makes ADC update dumb people play 3 ADCs a team smart people played Rammus and bought Thornmail

Riot: "o" "o no" "our preshus ay dee see"

guts Rammus and Thornmail

everyone else: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/018/489/nick-young-confused-face-300x256_nqlyaa.jpg

ZT XperimentorDec 11, 201629 votes

And ignorant players who don't read patch notes, wonder why 3 marksmen teams are common. Can't wait for marksmen to be replaceable like every other class.

ThefrostyvikingDec 11, 20165 votes

Reason why ADC's are irreplaceable is their ability to kill tanks. No mage is able to hurt tanks enough to be worth replacing ADC's.

If you wish for ADC's to be replaceable, give mages the ability to compensate the lost DPS. Which of course would ruin all bruisers and assassins but hey! At least there are less ADC's at that points so it's all good yeah? No one cares if mages become gods because at least they have skillshots.

ZT XperimentorDec 11, 201620 votes

Incorrect, before the tower nerfs marksmen were the primary way to take structures, as well as neutral objectives. Most mages have been nerfed since their class 'update', and several people don't bother buying a void staff; or don't time their crowd control, but that's said of marksmen too.

Honestly I don't care which class takes their place, though preferably a variety so things aren't so stale. But I'd rather face fed mages than mediocre marksmen; at least mages have cooldowns and mana issues.

ThefrostyvikingDec 11, 20162 votes

So you completly deny the ADC's role in melting the lategame tanks? I personally feel that unless you pick a mage like malz....a wait malz got nerfed nevermind >.<

Ehm a mage with considerable DPS who is also running liandry, voidstaff and high AP. Without these i feel that any mage trying to DPS a tank will just run out of mana before the tank even notice that there is a mage there.

Exception to this is Velkoz but he is so damm boring >.< And weak against gapclosers and mobility in general.

ZT XperimentorDec 11, 20168 votes

I'm not saying remove it, I'm saying reduce it; as it stands marksmen can not only ignore half of a tanks armor (3/4 if the tank is shredded by black cleaver), but gain significant bonus damage if they try to build health, or gut their healing if they're a sustainer. Wait . . . why are you playing a mage for dps? They're supposed to be bursty; such as ziggs & xerath. There's much less options for tanks to build against mages; and also goes to show why you should never have a team of only one damage type.

ThefrostyvikingDec 11, 20162 votes

I enjoyed playing Anivia Malzahar during a time when tanks were OP, think it was pre lord Dominic so ADC's were often bullied by tanks stacking armor and thornmail so liked picking mages that could go Liandry, voidstaff and rylai in their builds and just melt the tanks but those two and their items got nerfed and their counters got buffed and so they've fallen out >.<

ZT XperimentorDec 11, 20168 votes

Banshee's veil hasn't been buffed, though spirit visage was a bit. But it's why I said long range mages, they often have some movement disabling ability at range. Haven't played anivia since her change so I'm unsure how easy she is to combo with; but I prefer stuns or roots to silences.

TheorcheroDec 11, 20163 votes

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makes ADC update dumb people play 3 ADCs a team smart people played Rammus and bought Thornmail

Riot: "o" "o no" "our preshus ay dee see"

guts Rammus and Thornmail

everyone else: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/018/489/nick-young-confused-face-300x256_nqlyaa.jpg

HAHAHAHAHA THIS IS GREAT

ThefrostyvikingDec 11, 20161 votes

Did you play ADC pre the thorn mail nerfs? I tried playing ashe,cait and trist during those times.

If by any chance the enemy tank jungle got even slightly ahead i would kill myself while hitting him like, my autos with 3 items did 80-120 damage and i took around 160 something for each. It was oppressive as hell, you simply could not attack a tank with thornmail unless you had both a bloodthirster and a last whisper. And those were usually the 4 th and 5th items you got. Going for a different build made you useless against anything other than the tanks.

ZT XperimentorDec 11, 20165 votes

I have both before & after, but not with regularity, I can't stand the role.

What marksmen doesn't have damaging abilities? I've seen simply a ruin blade outsustain thornmail damage.

ThefrostyvikingDec 11, 20161 votes

Im guessing the ADC with blade was running warlord too, I think it's a stupidly strong keystone for those who can use it lategame.

But for real, i've only ever seen tanks die fast if my team had a darius with TBC who was hitting said tank, and then a strong late ADC like jinx,kog or vayne hitting them at the same time. Jinx and kog should then also have blade and domonics in their build*

Ashe and trist and similar will just tickle any late game tank.

Cait traps are OP, like really insanely OP. She should not have the ability to carry 5 of them with a 1 second activation time.

Twitch shoots through tanks and kills the team behind them, same as he always did, not really sure what changed.

kog stacks % damage to oblivion so no wonder he hurts x)

Vayne is just OP in too many ways >.<

ZT XperimentorDec 11, 20161 votes

Agreed, fervor is too for that matter; but it's already been pointed out.

Vayne & kogmaw are already anti-tanks thanks to their built-in max health damage. Most marksmen will chunk tanks with domink's regard, so that's probably why they appear invincible. And I know some marksmen players avoid building it till last, in which case I just facepalm.

I agree caitlyn is oppressive, much more-so in aram; and vayne being abusive. Though I've not seem many kogmaws or jinx lately.

ThefrostyvikingDec 11, 20162 votes

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Agreed, fervor is too for that matter; but it's already been pointed out.

Vayne & kogmaw are already anti-tanks thanks to their built-in max health damage. Most marksmen will chunk tanks with domink's regard, so that's probably why they appear invincible. And I know some marksmen players avoid building it till last, in which case I just facepalm.

I agree caitlyn is oppressive, much more-so in aram; and vayne being abusive. Though I've not seem many kogmaws or jinx lately.

Koggy is slow and relies on his team to protect him all the way until the lategame, jinx....dunno people don't seem to enjoy her a lot, i personally find her a bit boring too because you just sit there with rocket Q and ruunan until someone dies and in lane you tend to just farm and do nothing else.

ZT XperimentorDec 11, 20163 votes

With the excessive snowballing riot's added, it won't take more than a few kills for kogmaw to start outscaling the enemy team. That and thanks to all the extra lifesteal they got, they're better tanks than actual tanks. Oh half health? kills a minion Never mind back to full.

Count ZubatDec 11, 201616 votes

That's why you leave a fucking tank who built thornmail and full armor for your AP to kill. Wait, you don't have one? Well, should have made better decisions in champ select instead of going full AD. If a team screws up in champ select, it deserves to lose against opponents who know how to counterbuild.

WoonStruckDec 11, 201654 votes

There are two kinds of people in this world:

Those who accept that ADCs are the problem in this game
Those in denial

WiegrafOfValorDec 12, 20162 votes

*2) ~~Those in denial~~ ADC mains

doublelift fgDec 11, 201627 votes

i'll tell you something, most of adc players are mentally trash no matter what their rank is

but there is something that triggers me every fucking time when i look into other adc mains they expect themselves to do everything alone, to kill assassins alone, to 1v1 anyone

i get autofilled into support instead of adc and get a Jinx that tries to 1v1 the enemy Darius in fucking diamond i see board bronze players screaming WTF HECAR1M KILLED ME AS AN ADC, BUFF ADC PLOX YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO KILL EVERYONE ALONE, the game isn't balanced around you killing everyone in 1v1, you're supposed to sit back behind your tank and support and unleash damage. you can't die if you do this, it's just impossible if you die first in teamfight as an adc you should just stop playing adc (unless your team doesn't care about you but it never happened to me)

the second thing is that some adc players just refuse to change their build my piece of shit lucian refusing to buy item 3123 against Soraka because "it's too expensive". they refuse to buy item 3026 second item against Zed . refuse to buy lifesteal against DPS champions, meanwhile i'm here with jhin buying item 3143 second item against crit Vayne + Yasuo

and riot listen to them, they spoil those kids that should just get good or stop playing adc by nerfing soraka, by nerfing assassins and delaying their burst (meanwhile i destroyed most of them in teamfight lmfao)

now i'll tell you something, i don't care if you nerf adc i don't care if you make them not played in 100% of the games, i don't care if i see suddenly Jax Yasuo bot lane, as long as ADC are not trash and as long as i can continue to play Twitch Jhin

2Charmnot2CharmDec 11, 20165 votes

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i'll tell you something, most of adc players are mentally trash no matter what their rank is

but there is something that triggers me every fucking time when i look into other adc mains they expect themselves to do everything alone, to kill assassins alone, to 1v1 anyone

i get autofilled into support instead of adc and get a that tries to 1v1 the enemy in fucking diamond i see board bronze players screaming WTF HECAR1M KILLED ME AS AN ADC, BUFF ADC PLOX YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO KILL EVERYONE ALONE, the game isn't balanced around you killing everyone in 1v1, you're supposed to sit back behind your tank and support and unleash damage. you can't die if you do this, it's just impossible if you die first in teamfight as an adc you should just stop playing adc (unless your team doesn't care about you but it never happened to me)

Had one game as an ashe where my idiot teammates fed Hecarim and if thats not bad enough they also have Akali , Quinn and still expect me to build full on glass cannon vs that team when they are far ahead.

It doesn't matter what i build cause my team doesn't peel for me at all and they have 3 champs who can dive me real easily. Better build glass cannon instead of defenses so i can actually stay alive to deal damage instead of dying and doing zero damage am i right.

Blind pick game btw, if it was draft i wouldn't have picked ashe into this.

doublelift fgDec 11, 201610 votes

if your team doesn't peel for you then you lose, that's all. you don't need to search any more reasons for losing, adc are supposed to be protected if they aren't they lose. and it's not the balance team fault for this, but apparently in riot mind it is and they reworked assassins so they aren't able to kill unprotected adc anymore.

beside, i have to see a team not protecting the adc. in all my games i had people protecting me(maybe because they know twitch is broken right now) Twitch is so broken right now, yet i die in 1v1 against MasterYi , but that doesn't mean master yi is broken, it just means i need someone to stun him and then i can do my job

But thanks god not every adc players are dumb i'm so happy when my adc buys item 3155 against the full ap malphite, or item 3053 against enemy JarvanIV as second item

TTK DreadnoughtDec 11, 20165 votes

at least i know that item 3053 is used by other people who adc. lol.

ThefrostyvikingDec 11, 20163 votes

Those people will flame and sprout bullshit regardless because they are clearly stupid as you describe them ,_,

When playing ADC i always make a point of adapting my builds and only time i ever go for a 1v1 is if i am fed and against enemy ADC. Any bruiser or mage will ruin me 1v1. Hell even in lategame when i played seju full tank i still destroyed a brand/Caitlin (All of us full build) By jumping out of a bush and doing my full combo, it killed her without giving her chance to do anything and i got brand too shortly afterwards.

Any man complaining about ADC being OP suffers from the mentality that all ADC's are the same as vayne and always fed as hell.

doublelift fgDec 11, 20163 votes

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Hell even in lategame when i played seju full tank i still destroyed a brand/Caitlin (All of us full build) By jumping out of a bush and doing my full combo, it instakilled her and i got brand too shortly afterwards.

escuse me but that caitlyn is extremely retarded. cait is god tier right now and she can't die in teamfight, she has range+orb walking+defensive spells+can buy lifesteal and defensive items+has a support and a tank, and in your case she didn't have her tank

you instakilled her as full tank seju out of a bush? let me laugh, a full tank seju doing 1800 damage post mitigation in 0.5 sec? am i the only one seeing the bullshit talk right there?

{quoted} Any man complaining about ADC being OP suffers from the mentality that all ADC's are the same as vayne and always fed as hell.

jhin cait and vayne are (with twitch this patch) broken in high elo, but again riot doesn't balance the game around high elo

ADC aren't op, because they need a team. Now we can argue if needing a team makes them balanced since they become godlike with peeling.

ThefrostyvikingDec 11, 20161 votes

I jumped over a wall knocking her up, i cancelled her E with my ultimate and just stood on her with W and procced E when she flashed. I then ran up to her and Q'ed again before hitting W and she died shortly after.

This took around 7-9 seconds.

And i do agree that vayne is broken, the crit build let's her bust sqishys while her W makes her effective against tanks as ever.

Twitch....i agree he can be strong indeed, his ultimate let's him kinda shoot though you as a tank and into your team letting his damage go through the roof but im not sure why exactly he is OP now and not before.

Don't really know about jhin either, i've seen one go to mid in the lategame, my team's orianna was there too ( this happened outside my base) They both moved around behind their minions and then jhin moved in and hit 1 auto before backing but ori shielded most of it, then he hit his W before going for a Auto-Q-4th auto which killed her but she took around 80% of his health with a Q-W.

Not sure if i wana call jhin op, think he depends a lot on the player and the opponent. I who was watching could tell what he was doing from a mile away.

doublelift fgDec 11, 20162 votes

{quoted} This took around 7-9 seconds.

Just like i thought, not an instakill

{quoted} im not sure why exactly he is OP now and not before.

Twitch is a lane bully now, the new W combined with the adc balance changes that were made; made champions like miss fortune or lucian not winning against him in lane combine this with his insane late game and you have a god tier adc just like caitlyn except that caitlyn has more teamfight survivablity and less AOE damage

{quoted} Don't really know about jhin either,

i don't know either, but he has 55% win rate in master while being the 3rd most played champ. therefore i have my reasons to think he's also god tier

Ad Vitam AeternaDec 11, 201622 votes

Late game Malphite isn't dying in seconds to an adc. You clearly got stomped in a game and are exaggerating the situation.

dominusxDec 11, 20169 votes

So i don't know how fast i killed him when i was playing Jinx all i did was get enemy vaynes dmg shielded by my thresh premade and when malph ulted i reacted his ult and kited backwards he melted like a piece of shit in an oven ( i had to do this sorry ) and i dont think thresh did more thna 400dmg to him... he had a build like this if i recall right - item 3143 item 3111 item 3102 item 3075 item 3110 item 3108 . i had this item 3046 item 3085 item 3031 item 3072 item 3036 item 3153 ( i was ahead but he still had 4 items nonetheless ) they also had a shyvana thus the bork before you guys go mental WHY BORK HEAUHRAH etc.

Edit: i accidently put maw instead of dominics

TyrekGoldenspearDec 11, 201616 votes

That malph build is awful.

He had like no health from those items, no wonder you killed him so fast.

Ad Vitam AeternaDec 11, 20164 votes

No fucking surprise then, you were a late game jinx with not only lord Dominick's but also a BOTRK.

dominusxDec 11, 20162 votes

so i should kill a tank in seconds that balanced to you even with that build? or 4 hit squishies with 2k attack speed ? kek

Ad Vitam AeternaDec 11, 20166 votes

Once again, you built specifically to counter the tank by going with the two best anti tank items in the game, on top of being one of the very best late game adc's. The tank missed his only form of good engage/cc, therefore he was an absolute sitting duck for an adc.

dominusxDec 11, 20162 votes

so i just pressed flash and made like 5 movement commands and made a champ useless. nice

Ad Vitam AeternaDec 11, 20168 votes

Yes, you outplayed him by flashing his ult. He had no back up, clearly, so you got to melt him. the fact that you don't understand that makes you look insanely unintelligent.

RivuoDec 11, 20169 votes

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So i don't know how fast i killed him when i was playing all i did was get enemy vaynes dmg shielded by my thresh premade and when malph ulted i reacted his ult and kited backwards he melted like a piece of shit in an oven ( i had to do this sorry ) and i dont think thresh did more thna 400dmg to him... he had a build like this if i recall right - . i had this ( i was ahead but he still had 4 items nonetheless ) they also had a shyvana thus the bork before you guys go mental WHY BORK HEAUHRAH etc.

Edit: i accidently put maw instead of dominics

That malph literally has tbe worst build... You have 6 items and even sold boots for bork while he has 4....

Ive never seen such a shit post in my life..

majordoodeeDec 11, 20163 votes

That's because the malphite had a very low health build. Thornmail gives him 100 armor and FH gives 90. But aside from that he only had like 800 extra health from items. Armor needs health to be totally efficient. Otherwise a six item ADC will shred you. Think about it, when you say he had 4 items nonetheless and you six that means you were some thousands of gold ahead considering how cheap armor items are to crit/ad items.

ProfDrDeathDec 11, 20163 votes

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That's because the malphite had a very low health build. Thornmail gives him 100 armor and FH gives 90. But aside from that he only had like 800 extra health from items. Armor needs health to be totally efficient. Otherwise a six item ADC will shred you. Think about it, when you say he had 4 items nonetheless and you six that means you were some thousands of gold ahead considering how cheap armor items are to crit/ad items.

Also, that Jinx had 6 full offensive items and 18550 gold in items that improved her offenses. Whereas Malph had only about 9000 gold in RELEVANT defensive items and stats.

If I have double the gold in (synergistic, exponentially scaling) offenses you have in defenses, something would be very, VERY, VERY wrong.

AstôlfoDec 11, 201621 votes

Assassin: Oh look. An ADC is fucking stupid enough to be alone in lategame. Hah, what an easy target. jumps on ADC does a quarter health on first hit ADC autoattacks once and heals back to full Autoattacks again and kills the assassin …

Assassin: Hmm, that's strange, let me try again. runs toward ADC Assassin: "I'mma be skilled and use my abilities to dodge their..…" "Never mind." dies to 2 targeted autoattacks which takes less than almost half a second to do

Assassin: "So… Riot.… who was supposed to have burst again…? And take skill…?" Riot: "Well, assassins and mages. But assassins were doing their job at killing our beloved, overly favored ADCs, so we gutted them, because, ha, no counterplay to dying in less than a second, right? Cheers!"

TyrekGoldenspearDec 11, 20163 votes

And then you realize that the only assassin slippery enough to not get clicked on fast enough, the only assassin who had enough unavoidable burst to kill an ADC through their lifesteal, the only assassin who could outplay a carry as hard as no other..

Was Zed in his prime. (And Rengar now.)

And which assassin is complained about the most by ADCs?

dominusxDec 11, 20165 votes

Rengar isnt an assasin now he is an overtuned bruiser. if you go full ad rengar you just ask for the enemy to win.

ThefrostyvikingDec 11, 20161 votes

Nr 1 is Rengar, Nr 2 is Rengar, Nr 3 is Rengar

Nr 4 is kha6

Then everyone else in different order's depending on meta.

dominusxDec 11, 20162 votes

Kha is trash tier unless hyperfed trust me been playing him for years. ANYONE with a brain can anhilate kha atm all it takes is a poppy/braum or for the support to rush shielding items and bam . bye bye bug

ThefrostyvikingDec 11, 20161 votes

Guess he is a bit situational but when enemy bot is running a mage/heal support.

And top is not poppy x) She denies a lot of things really.

I played Cait a while ago and enemy kha got like 2 kills ahead and just started to end the game right there, any fight we had he just flew in from places and deleted someone while i was just sitting there looking at my 0,8 sec death recap.

dominusxDec 11, 20161 votes

yeh all my encounters with cait end in 1.5 secs aswell.

Big LincolnDec 11, 201620 votes

i blame crit and lord dominik's

After the ADC update where marksman all got these fucking broken steroids in their own kit, crit items got stupid too item 3085 . Dominik's is a hard counter item that makes any tank or juggernaut worthless. remove LDR completely because getting extra damage because the other person built health to SURVIVE you is cancer.

item 3085 shouldn't be an ADC item.

RyuyahDec 11, 20163 votes

I thought it was fine before they added crit to it

GreenBastard101Dec 11, 20169 votes

Riot seems to balance this game completely around ADC being the strongest role. Anytime a champion/role threatens a ADC power riot nerfs them into oblivion. Remember when Urgot was played in bot lane for 1 tournament and did well so Riot nerfed him into oblivion. Urgot only did well in bot lane because he was pretty much a ranged bruiser so he did great early game damage but didn't scale well into late game. But because his early game damage was good most adc couldn't trade with him during laning phase meaning Urgot could make sure they don't get fed. But if the game wen't on long enough the ADC could farm enough and carry late game. Playing against a Urgot in bot lane mean't that you would have to change your play style during the laning phase which all the little cry babies couldn't handle. Riot just seems to hate change which is why i can't find myself to play this game much anymore. I am just sick of the META.